Shane Battier à Miami. Recrutement intelligent.

Bientôt suivi par Eddy Curry

C'est vrai ?

D'après le FB de BasketUSA oui

Big Z a pris sa retraite, non?

Bientôt suivi par Eddy Curry

Oui.

Sinon l'offre de Golden State pour Chandler

Sinon l'offre de Golden State pour Chandler

The Knicks are nearing completion on a deal with Tyson Chandler worth $58 million over four seasons.

Qui serait proche des Knicks...

Allez les Spurs, plus qu'un pivot et Butler et ça sera bon.

Clippers pour lui apparemment.

Ca parle de plus en plus de CP3 aux Lakers (Gasol serait le mec échangé dans l'opération).

Clippers pour lui apparemment.

Ca parle de plus en plus de CP3 aux Lakers (Gasol serait le mec échangé dans l'opération).

Pour le coup ça me parait bien plus intelligent que D12.

How good is Rajon Rondo?

It's a timely question. With New Orleans Hornets point guard Chris Paul on the trading block, the Boston Celtics have reportedly floated their own All-Star point guard in talks with the league-owned franchise. Putting aside the piercing irony of a small-market team potentially trading a perennial MVP candidate to a big-market team right after the lockout, the whispers of a Rondo-for-Paul swap already have the basketball world buzzing even before the ink dries on the CBA.

Looking at this trade proposal, you can't help revisiting that initial question:

Really, just how good is Rajon Rondo?

Yes, it's a timely question, but it's also a fascinating one that should yield some far-ranging opinions. Rondo represents one of the NBA's greatest riddles because he's an integral part of an incredibly successful team, but it's hard to pinpoint exactly how responsible he is for his team's success. Looking at Rondo's particular situation in Boston, we can learn a few things about how to distribute individual credit for team success.


Surely, Rondo is an above-average point guard. We can start there. You don't just average 11.2 assists per game by being a chump. And since assists have become the perceived currency of point guard value, Rondo appears to have earned his spot as one of the game's great floor generals.

Assists are tricky, though. As the saying goes, it takes two to tango. When it comes to Rondo, he starts the assist with a pass, and usually this is what happens: A Hall of Famer finishes it with a bucket. As long as the league refuses to track potential assists -- as in, passes that generate a good look, not necessarily a good result -- we will always have an imperfect measure of passing ability. After all, the passer relinquishes his control once the ball leaves his hands. The rest is up to the receiver.

Because of the chicken-or-the-egg nature of assists, we have to be careful about guys like Rondo. Since his sophomore season in the league, he has been surrounded by Hall of Famers who are historically talented shot-makers. A trio of Ray Allen, Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett is what point guard dreams are made of. But this has been Rondo's reality for most of his career in the NBA.

So let's dig deeper into those gaudy assist totals and see whether we can separate what is Rondo and what isn't. One way to zoom in on his true talent is to remove a Hall of Famer from the equation. What happens to Rondo's assist rates when one of Boston's Big Three leaves the floor?

Consider this: When Ray Allen was on the court, Rondo tallied 11.4 assists per 36 minutes. When Ray Allen left the court?

8.0 assists per 36 minutes -- the equivalent of Devin Harris' rate last season.

That's an enormous effect. Put another way, 30 percent of Rondo's assists vanished when Allen stepped off the court. And that wasn't an isolated bruise, either; he Boston offense took a considerable hit as well. The Celtics' offensive efficiency dropped from a blistering 108.6 points per 100 possessions to a meager 102.7 points when Rondo saw Allen leave the court.

And Pierce? We saw a similar drop-off in Rondo's assists when the small forward hit the bench and an even more dramatic slide in the overall team context. When Pierce hit the pine, Rondo's assist rate fell from 11.2 to 9.2 and the offense suffered greatly, dropping from 110.2 points per 100 possessions to a subterranean 95.0 points per 100 possessions. Yes, that's a 15.2-point drop-off.

For teams interested in Rondo, these on-court relationships should weigh heavily in the scouting report. In Allen, Rondo has one of the best spot-up shooters of all time and, perhaps more importantly, a magician off the ball. Pierce has carved out one of the most crafty offensive arsenals in the game. Without them by his side, the Boston offense was completely neutered.

That shouldn't happen with a top-flight point guard. What makes Rondo such a unique player is that he can't create offense for himself, which severely compromises his value on the court. Elite point guards like Paul, Derrick Rose, Steve Nash and Deron Williams all share the ability to take over games with their own scoring without depending on teammates. When Boston's Big Three weren't on the floor, you'd expect a point guard with Rondo's prestige to raise his game. In those situations, Rondo only managed to score a paltry 11.8 points per 36 minutes. His assists dropped to 7.1 assists per 36 minutes.

At this point, you might be growling, "Of course, Rondo and his team suffers when Hall of Famers leave the court!" This much is obvious, but what isn't obvious is how much of Boston's success we should attribute directly to Rondo.

Think about this for a second: Could Rondo take a team starting Marco Belinelli, Trevor Ariza, Carl Landry and Emeka Okafor to six games against the Lakers in the playoffs? Could he lead the Phoenix Suns to almost a winning record like Steve Nash did?
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These are essential questions when it comes to players like Rondo, who have so much of their offensive value lumped into one category. While it's true that Rondo isn't just an assist compiler -- he's a pesky defender and an above-average rebounder -- potential buyers should pay attention to what happens when he's not surrounded by Hall of Famers. The more you look at the numbers, Rondo appears to be the sweetener, not the coffee.

For stacked lineups like the one in Boston, Rondo can be the difference-maker. But for small-market teams looking to rebuild, it's hard to mention Rondo in the same breath as other talented youngsters like Russell Westbrook and Rose. Without an outside scoring game, a player like Rondo has a ceiling that can only go so far. Sharing the court with other superstars further clouds the picture, but as we've seen with Rondo, he owes a significant chunk of his value to his teammates.

Which players show similar warning signs? Tony Parker comes to mind. The similarities are eerie. Like Rondo, the only team Parker has ever known is one that annually competes for championships. Like Rondo, he fell late in the draft primarily over concerns about his shot. Like Rondo, he played with one of the best power forwards of all time, not to mention an All-Star wing in Manu Ginobili. If a team wants to rebuild with point guards like Rondo and Parker, they have to separate what's nature and what's nurture.

Rondo represents a small group of fine players who shine brightest next to superstars. No one would call Rondo a role player because of the pejorative connotation, but non-scorers like Tyson Chandler -- a castoff in Charlotte who arguably may have been the second-best player on a title team -- and Rondo need scorers next to them in order to leverage their talents. The same goes for low-usage high-energy guys like Joakim Noah and Gerald Wallace.

Celtics general manager Danny Ainge has denied that he's looking to trade Rondo, and that may just be a public relations ploy. However, because of Rondo's unique talents, there's some evidence that Rondo means more to the Celtics than any other team. That may be a good thing for his own valuations. But for potential rebuilding suitors outside of Boston, the warning is clear: Buyer beware.

C'est pas une insulte.

Ca sert juste à énerver ceux qui considèrent James comme le meilleur joueur de tous les temps.
Pippen > Kobe?

Sinon sur tes deux dernières phrases tu te contredits on dirait. Howard est loin d'être une arnaque, déjà il a progressé énormément ses petits shoots même si il part de très loin c'est vrai, son lancer franc est de plus en plus régulier et si tu lui mets un pivot soft, il te le détruit(sauf Gasol qui résiste bien bizarrement)...

Rondo...

Si Billups est coupé par les Knicks (assez probable), Miami veut le signer.

Chris Paul arrive mais si c'est pour 2 grands

Je l'aurais bien vu à NY

Du coup, ya pas d'extension de contrat si c'est un trade? Il est libre à la fin de l'année?

"CHRIS PAUL AUX LAKERS CONTRE PAU GASOL ET LAMAR ODOM !"

Basketsession

Yahoo annonce que Bynum et Odom seraient échangés contre Chris Paul ! Quasi fait.

Ils ont peut être des garanties pour Howard

Il va resigner direct aux Lakers.

Impossible que ça soit Gasol+Odom contre le seul Paul. Peut-être Okafor avec lui.
Putain j'aurais préféré que Bynum dégage, Okafor-Gasol, ça aurait été bon.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Hornets working to finalize details on 3-team deal to send Chris Paul to Lakers, Gasol to Rockets and Odom, KMart, Scola to NO, sources say.

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Says a front office executive in the 3-team talks to send Chris Paul to Lakers: "We have not yet finalized, but we are close..."

andrewalbicy andrew albicy
wouaaaa je suis choqué chris paul o LAKERS

Il n'y a pas plus d'info, mais si c'est juste un trade oui mais bon LA c'est quand même une sacrée équipe, gros marché, donc je ne peux que le voir signer un contrat là bas. D'autant plus que je sens l'arrivée de D12 dans la foulée...

Tellement triste pour mes Knicks. Au moins comme ça ils ne feront sans doute pas la connerie de laisser Billups au Heat.

Ils tenteront Deron Williams qui restera pas à New Jersey si l'équipe n'est pas compétitive.

En tout cas toute cette excitation NBA manquait vraiment.

D'un côté je kiffe parce que ça concerne "mon" équipe mais si les Lakers ramènent Howard, voilà quoi, les cinq prochaines saisons on connaît déjà la finale.

Big Z

CP3

D12

je disais ça aussi par rapport au fait que quand james est retourné à cleveland, le public criait pippen pippen pour le tailler

pour pippen>kobe y a un peu de provoc, et aussi le fait que j'ai jamais trop aimé kobe

pour howard, pourquoi tu dis que je me contredis?
quand je dis que c'est une arnaque, c'est que je trouve qu'on en fait trop avec ce mec, y a des discussions comme quoi il est dans le top 3 des meilleurs joueurs, d'ailleurs il a du finir 2e ou 3e des derniers votes mvp, alors que si tu le compares à la plupart des bons pivots des années 90 et 2000, il a pas de skillz, il a juste un physique hors norme et quasi aucune compétition à son poste

je pense quand meme que les lakers s'en sortiraient mieux avec lui que avec paul parceque j'ai du mal à voir un paul coexister avec kobe qui bouffe pas mal de ballons et casse pas mal de systèmes

Estime-toi heureux t'aurais pu choper un paquet de maladies avec ces deux équipes


9 matchs en 12 jours

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CP3 deal hits serious snag. NBA owners protesting trade by league-owned Hornets, sources say. Check out the latest: es.pn/vAQwca

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RT @RealLamarOdom: When a team trades u and it doesn't go down? Now what?

@YahooSportsNBA
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Cavs owner Dan Gilbert called the Lakers' trade for Chris Paul a "travesty" in email to David Stern. Complete email: yhoo.it/s1du3z

Stern kills Lakers’ deal for Paul

NBA commissioner David Stern killed the New Orleans Hornets’ trade of Chris Paul after several owners complained about the league-owned team dealing the All-Star point guard to the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Some owners pushed Stern to nullify the trade and that the Hornets be made to keep Paul on the roster for the foreseeable future, sources said. A chorus of owners were irate with the belief that the five-month lockout had happened largely to stop big-market teams from leveraging small-market teams for star players pending free agency.

The trade between the Lakers, Hornets and Houston Rockets had been consummated late Thursday afternoon, about the same time the league’s owners and players were completing their vote to ratify the new collective bargaining agreement – an agreement that Stern had repeatedly said would help restore the NBA’s competitive balance. League owners had watched last season as some of the game’s biggest stars left for larger markets. LeBron James and Chris Bosh joined Dwyane Wade and the Miami Heat, and Carmelo Anthony forced the Denver Nuggets to trade him to the New York Knicks.

“The owners half-pushed this, and Stern took it the rest of the way,” a league source told Yahoo! Sports. “In the end, David didn’t like that the players were dictating where they wanted to go, like Carmelo had, and he wasn’t going to let Chris Paul dictate where he wanted to go.”

Before Stern intervened, the Lakers had reached an agreement to acquire Paul in a deal that would have cost them Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. Under terms of the deal, the Lakers would have sent Gasol to the Rockets. The Hornets would have received Odom, Rockets guards Kevin Martin and Goran Dragic and forward Luis Scola, league sources said.

Houston had also agreed to send a 2012 first-round pick – previously obtained from the Knicks – to New Orleans as part of the package, a source said.

Demps had informed two of the other finalists for Paul on Thursday evening that he had a deal in place for Paul to go the Lakers, front-office sources said. All the players involved in the trade have now been told to report to their teams for the start of training camp on Friday.

Hornets general manager Dell Demps is “disconsolate” over the heavy-handed move from the commissioner’s office, a source told Y! Sports. Demps considered resigning his job on Thursday, league sources said, and had to be talked out of it. The Hornets had scored a terrific deal for Paul, a trade that was lauded by some of Demps’ peers throughout the league. Officials involved in the trade talks said the league office was consulted throughout the negotiations, and there was never an indication Demps didn’t have the power to make a deal. In fact, several teams negotiating with New Orleans to get Paul asked the league office, and were told Demps had full authority to execute a trade.

Stern listened to enraged owners on Thursday who insisted this trade went against the entire reason the owners pushed for the lockout, that nothing had changed, and yet it was Stern who made the extraordinary decision to cancel the deal. Demps tried to talk him out of it, league officials said, but Stern was absolute in his desire to kill the trade.

Paul had listed the Lakers as one of his preferred destinations, and it became a more clear choice for him on Thursday after the New York Knicks moved to the brink of completing a four-year, $58 million contract for free-agent center Tyson Chandler. The Knicks lost the salary-cap space they would’ve needed to sign Paul this summer, and the Lakers had been pushing hard to close a deal for Paul with Houston and New Orleans.

As one rival executive with strong ties to the league office said, “Stern cared about two things: Selling that franchise for the best possible price; and showing the players that they weren’t going to dictate where teams could trade them. But now, there’s no way that the league can allow Chris Paul to be traded at all, otherwise Stern is basically deciding where one of the top players in the league is going versus having any fair process.”

Officials from New Orleans, Houston and Los Angeles were stunned Thursday night. The killed trade had ripple affects everywhere in free agency and potential trades, and literally pushed the market into paralysis on the eve of training camps opening up.

“We were all told by the league he was a trade-able player, and now they’re saying that Dell doesn’t have the authority to make the trade?” said an NBA executive who had periodic talks with New Orleans throughout the process. “Now, they’re saying that Dell is an idiot, that he can’t do it his job. [Expletive] this whole thing. David’s drunk on power, and he doesn’t give a [expletive] about the players, and he doesn’t give a [expletive] about the hundreds of hours the teams put in to make that deal.

“How do the Lakers explain this to Odom? How does Houston deal with the guys it just tried to trade? Scola and Martin are going to be pissed at them, and who knows how long that takes to get over? Explain to me how the league kills this Pau Gasol deal, but allows Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol?

“To me, this makes the league feel like it’s rigged, that Stern just does whatever Stern wants to do. He’s messed up the competitive balance of this league a lot worse by killing the deal, because you’ve completely destroyed the planning that New Orleans, Houston did and left them in shambles over this. I’ve never been so discouraged about this league, never so down.

“I mean, come on: Chris Paul is leaving New Orleans in 66 games. He’s gone. And what’s Dell Demps, and that franchise, going to have to show for it?”

SIDA