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I said yesterday that my two favorite players in the whole draft going in (regardless of round) were Bruce Irvin and Russell Wilson.
Le mec doit être en mode
chez lui 
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Le mec doit être en mode
chez lui
Adam Schefter :
Faut lui dire que vous avez déjà Tebow
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Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum: "In the fourth round, we are going to aggressively go after an athletic, back-up, left-handed quarterback."
Faut lui dire que vous avez déjà Tebow
Citation (CL @ 28/04/2012 13:26)
Adam Schefter :
Faut lui dire que vous avez déjà Tebow
Faut lui dire que vous avez déjà Tebow
Je pense que c'est justement la blague vu qu'on a laché notre 4e pick pour Tebow
Citation (DimSet @ 28/04/2012 13:28)
Je pense que c'est justement la blague vu qu'on a laché notre 4e pick pour Tebow
Désolé, pas bien réveillé
Bon voila le résumé par équipes des picks après les 3 premiers rounds. Les Bengals sur le papier font une draft de folie. D'autres équipes qui réussissent plutot ces impact rounds les Steelers, Ravens, Eagles, Giants, Packers, Bucs...Les losers sont bien sur les Jaguars avec un punter dans le 3rd 
Patriots :
1(21) - Chandler Jones, DE, Syracuse
1(25) - Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama
2(48) - Tavon Wilson, DB, Illinois
3(90) - Jake Bequette, DE/OLB, Arkansas
Bills :
1(10): Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina
2(41): Cordy Glenn, OL, Georgia
3(69): T.J. Graham, WR, NC State
Dolphins :
1(8): Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M
2(42): Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
3(72): Olivier Vernon, DE/OLB, Miami-Florida
3(77): Michael Egnew, TE, Missouri
Jets :
1(16): Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
2(43): Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech
3(77): Demario Davis, LB, Arkansas State
Colts :
1(1): Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
2(34): Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
2(64): Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson
3(92): T.Y. Hilton, WR, Florida International
Jaguars :
1(5): Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State - Grade: D
2(38): Andre Branch, DE/OLB, Clemson
3(70): Bryan Anger, P, California
Texans :
1(26): Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois
3(68): DeVier Posey, WR, Ohio State
3(76): Brandon Brooks, OG, Miami (OH)
Titans :
1(20): Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
2(52): Zach Brown, LB, North Carolina
3(82): Mike Martin, DT, Michigan
Stealers :
1(24): David DeCastro, OG, Stanford
2(56): Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State
3(86): Sean Spence, LB, Miami-Florida
Bengals :
1(17): Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
1(27): Kevin Zeitler, OG, Wisconsin
2(53): Devon Still, DT, Penn State
2(83): Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers
3(93): Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson
Browns :
1(3): Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
1(22): Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma State
2(37): Mitchell Schwartz, OT, California
3(87): John Hughes, DT, Cincinnati
Ravens :
2(35): Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama
2(60): Kelechi Osemele, OL, Iowa State
2(84): Bernard Pierce, RB, Temple
Chiefs :
1(11): Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis
2(44): Jeff Allen, OL, Illinois
3(74): Donald Stephenson, OT, Oklahoma
Chargers :
1(18): Melvin Ingram, DE/OLB, South Carolina
2(49): Kendall Reyes, DL, Connecticut
3(73): Brandon Taylor, S, LSU
Raiders :
3(95): Tony Bergstrom, OL, Utah
Broncos :
2(36): Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincinnati
2(57): Brock Osweiler, QB, Arizona State
3(66): Ronnie Hillman, RB, San Diego State
Giants :
1(32): David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech
2(63): Rueben Randle, WR, LSU
3(94): Jayron Hosley, CB, Virginia Tech
Cowboys :
1(6): Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
3(81): Tyrone Crawford, DL, Boise State
Redskins :
1(2): Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
3(71): Josh LeRibeus, OG, SMU
Eagles :
1(12): Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi State - Grade: A+
2(46): Mychal Kendricks, LB, California
2(59): Vinny Curry, DE/OLB, Marshall
3(88): Nick Foles, QB, Arizona
Bears :
1(19): Shea McClellin, DE/OLB, Boise State
2(45): Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
3(78): Brandon Hardin, FS/CB, Oregon State
Lions :
1(23): Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
2(53): Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma
3(85): Dwight Bentley, CB, Louisiana-Lafayette
Packers :
1(28): Nick Perry, DE/OLB, USC
2(51): Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State
2(62): Casey Hayward, DB, Vanderbilt
Vikings :
1(4): Matt Kalil, OT, USC - Grade
1(29): Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame
2(66): Josh Robinson, CB, Central Florida
Panthers :
1(9): Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College
2(40): Amini Silatolu, OL, Midwestern State
Falcons :
2(55): Peter Konz, C/G, Wisconsin
3(91): Lamar Holmes, OT, Southern Miss
Saints :
3(89): Akiem Hicks, DL, Regina
Buccaneers :
1(7): Mark Barron, S, Alabama
1(31): Doug Martin, RB, Boise State
2(58): Lavonte David, LB, Nebraska
49ers :
1(30): A.J. Jenkins, WR, Illinois
2(61): LaMichael James, RB, Oregon
Seahawks :
1(15): Bruce Irvin, DE/OLB, West Virginia
2(47): Bobby Wagner, LB, Utah State
3(75): Russell Wilson, QB, Wisconsin
Cardinals :
1(13): Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
3(80): Jamell Fleming, CB, Oklahoma
Rams :
1(14): Michael Brockers, DT, LSU
2(33): Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State
2(39): Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
2(50): Isaiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati
2(65): Trumaine Johnson, DB, Montana
Patriots :
1(21) - Chandler Jones, DE, Syracuse
1(25) - Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama
2(48) - Tavon Wilson, DB, Illinois
3(90) - Jake Bequette, DE/OLB, Arkansas
Bills :
1(10): Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina
2(41): Cordy Glenn, OL, Georgia
3(69): T.J. Graham, WR, NC State
Dolphins :
1(8): Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M
2(42): Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
3(72): Olivier Vernon, DE/OLB, Miami-Florida
3(77): Michael Egnew, TE, Missouri
Jets :
1(16): Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
2(43): Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech
3(77): Demario Davis, LB, Arkansas State
Colts :
1(1): Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
2(34): Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
2(64): Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson
3(92): T.Y. Hilton, WR, Florida International
Jaguars :
1(5): Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State - Grade: D
2(38): Andre Branch, DE/OLB, Clemson
3(70): Bryan Anger, P, California
Texans :
1(26): Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois
3(68): DeVier Posey, WR, Ohio State
3(76): Brandon Brooks, OG, Miami (OH)
Titans :
1(20): Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
2(52): Zach Brown, LB, North Carolina
3(82): Mike Martin, DT, Michigan
Stealers :
1(24): David DeCastro, OG, Stanford
2(56): Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State
3(86): Sean Spence, LB, Miami-Florida
Bengals :
1(17): Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
1(27): Kevin Zeitler, OG, Wisconsin
2(53): Devon Still, DT, Penn State
2(83): Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers
3(93): Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson
Browns :
1(3): Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
1(22): Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma State
2(37): Mitchell Schwartz, OT, California
3(87): John Hughes, DT, Cincinnati
Ravens :
2(35): Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama
2(60): Kelechi Osemele, OL, Iowa State
2(84): Bernard Pierce, RB, Temple
Chiefs :
1(11): Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis
2(44): Jeff Allen, OL, Illinois
3(74): Donald Stephenson, OT, Oklahoma
Chargers :
1(18): Melvin Ingram, DE/OLB, South Carolina
2(49): Kendall Reyes, DL, Connecticut
3(73): Brandon Taylor, S, LSU
Raiders :
3(95): Tony Bergstrom, OL, Utah
Broncos :
2(36): Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincinnati
2(57): Brock Osweiler, QB, Arizona State
3(66): Ronnie Hillman, RB, San Diego State
Giants :
1(32): David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech
2(63): Rueben Randle, WR, LSU
3(94): Jayron Hosley, CB, Virginia Tech
Cowboys :
1(6): Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
3(81): Tyrone Crawford, DL, Boise State
Redskins :
1(2): Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
3(71): Josh LeRibeus, OG, SMU
Eagles :
1(12): Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi State - Grade: A+
2(46): Mychal Kendricks, LB, California
2(59): Vinny Curry, DE/OLB, Marshall
3(88): Nick Foles, QB, Arizona
Bears :
1(19): Shea McClellin, DE/OLB, Boise State
2(45): Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
3(78): Brandon Hardin, FS/CB, Oregon State
Lions :
1(23): Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
2(53): Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma
3(85): Dwight Bentley, CB, Louisiana-Lafayette
Packers :
1(28): Nick Perry, DE/OLB, USC
2(51): Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State
2(62): Casey Hayward, DB, Vanderbilt
Vikings :
1(4): Matt Kalil, OT, USC - Grade
1(29): Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame
2(66): Josh Robinson, CB, Central Florida
Panthers :
1(9): Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College
2(40): Amini Silatolu, OL, Midwestern State
Falcons :
2(55): Peter Konz, C/G, Wisconsin
3(91): Lamar Holmes, OT, Southern Miss
Saints :
3(89): Akiem Hicks, DL, Regina
Buccaneers :
1(7): Mark Barron, S, Alabama
1(31): Doug Martin, RB, Boise State
2(58): Lavonte David, LB, Nebraska
49ers :
1(30): A.J. Jenkins, WR, Illinois
2(61): LaMichael James, RB, Oregon
Seahawks :
1(15): Bruce Irvin, DE/OLB, West Virginia
2(47): Bobby Wagner, LB, Utah State
3(75): Russell Wilson, QB, Wisconsin
Cardinals :
1(13): Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
3(80): Jamell Fleming, CB, Oklahoma
Rams :
1(14): Michael Brockers, DT, LSU
2(33): Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State
2(39): Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
2(50): Isaiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati
2(65): Trumaine Johnson, DB, Montana
Anger aura bien éclairé cette longue nuit 
"Je reste jusqu'au pick des Falcons"
Deux picks avant, plus de 4h du matin, ils tradent down...
"Bon bah bonne nuit"
Dirty : "Cette fois ci, c'est sur je vais pas au boulot demain"
"Je reste jusqu'au pick des Falcons"
Deux picks avant, plus de 4h du matin, ils tradent down...
"Bon bah bonne nuit"
Dirty : "Cette fois ci, c'est sur je vais pas au boulot demain"
Citation (CL @ 28/04/2012 13:57)
Dirty : "Cette fois ci, c'est sur je vais pas au boulot demain"
Et je n'y suis pas allé
Réveillé à 12h alors que je devais commencer à 11h
Pour notre draft, ravi mais pas excité par Konz, et perplexe sur le fake Lamar.
Et j'ai peur d'avoir vita-isé Miller avec mon avatar
T'as sorti le coup de l'amputation pour l'excuse ?
Citation (CL @ 28/04/2012 15:47)
T'as sorti le coup de l'amputation pour l'excuse ?
J'ai prévenu un de mes potes,responsable du service à côté, mais il se trouve que lui aussi a séché
Ils ont de la chance de nous avoir
Miller toujours pas drafté 
tu as des info Dirty?
tu as des info Dirty?
Citation (bloblo @ 28/04/2012 16:11)
Miller toujours pas drafté tu as des info Dirty?
tu as des info Dirty?2 red flags le concernant :
- son épaule qui devrait nécessiter une opération
- il aurait (bien) foiré les séances tableau noir au Combine
++ d'autres trucs qui limitent :
- il est vu pour la plupart comme un fit uniquement dans une ZBS
- pas terrible en pass protection.
Bref, ça pue grave pour lui (et Polk apparemment)
Et hop... Bloblo qui voulait draft Miller un candidat en moins pour Dirty 
Là j'avais une idée de qui choper au second tour bah la draft a changé pas mal de trucs, des WR que j'avais pas du tout venir et des RB inconnus au bataillon qui m'inquiètent, le côté nabot des Sproles like me fait flipper en dynasty.
Bref je suis perdu même si j'ai une petite idée derrière la tête.
Là j'avais une idée de qui choper au second tour bah la draft a changé pas mal de trucs, des WR que j'avais pas du tout venir et des RB inconnus au bataillon qui m'inquiètent, le côté nabot des Sproles like me fait flipper en dynasty.
Bref je suis perdu même si j'ai une petite idée derrière la tête.
Citation (Lask @ 28/04/2012 17:16)
Et hop... Bloblo qui voulait draft Miller un candidat en moins pour Dirty
Ouais j'étais vraiment chaud pour prendre un RB (Miller ou Martin) et finalement je vais surement faire l'impasse cette année
Citation (Lask @ 28/04/2012 17:16)
Et hop... Bloblo qui voulait draft Miller un candidat en moins pour Dirty
Avant la draft j'étais en mode,pourvu que personne ne me le pique avant le 1.05.
Maintenant, je peux penser à quelqu'un d'autre (ou a trader le pick), Lamar attendra le 2e tour.
Citation (Dirty @ 28/04/2012 17:21)
Avant la draft j'étais en mode,pourvu que personne ne me le pique avant le 1.05.
Maintenant, je peux penser à quelqu'un d'autre (ou a trader le pick), Lamar attendra le 2e tour.
Maintenant, je peux penser à quelqu'un d'autre (ou a trader le pick), Lamar attendra le 2e tour.
J'avais essayé de récupérer le 1.4 pour drafter deux fois avant toi et le prendre
Je regrette pas finalement...
Chatzy ? Ca commence dans 10 minutes.
Lamar aux Dolphins, je vais être obligé de le détester
Citation (DimSet @ 28/04/2012 12:12)
Lamar aux Dolphins, je vais être obligé de le détester
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Kirk Cousins (QB) aux Redskins, avec leur deuxième pick de la draft
Les Dolphins
Local hero stays home
Local hero stays home
Je pensais jamais me mettre dans un tel état pour un mec que je ne connais ni de près ni de loin, mais j'ai réellement la gerbe de voir ce qui arrive à Chris Polk. Le mec a été un monstre pour nous, il a PORTé notre équipe sur ses épaules, et maintenant voila que les pros ne le prennent pas ca ril serait fragile. C'est sur vaut mieux avoir un Craig Lumpking en 4e RB qu'un mec qui pourrait etre un vrai titulaire...
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Je pensais jamais me mettre dans un tel état pour un mec que je ne connais ni de près ni de loin, mais j'ai réellement la gerbe de voir ce qui arrive à Chris Polk. Le mec a été un monstre pour nous, il a PORTé notre équipe sur ses épaules, et maintenant voila que les pros ne le prennent pas ca ril serait fragile. C'est sur vaut mieux avoir un Craig Lumpking en 4e RB qu'un mec qui pourrait etre un vrai titulaire...
Surtout que le mec a joué 2 ans avec une dégénérescence de l'épaule et a été un monstre sur le terrain, il ne méritait pas ça.
On dirait que les équipes n'ont pas retenu la leçon Arian Foster.
With the 203rd pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the New York Jets select… Robert Griffin from Baylor
Il y a quand même un truc que je trouve chelou c'est qu'on en entend parler que maintenant. Et je trouve chelou aussi qu'aucune équipe est quand même pris le risque même avec un 7e pick de merde ca coutait rien surtout pour un mec qui est techniquement top 5 talent à son poste dans cette draft. La je viens de voir qu'on a pick un mec qui sort de 2 ACL ca me parait beaucoup plus risqué que Polk et sa dégénérescence
Citation (Varino @ 29/04/2012 00:59)
Je pensais jamais me mettre dans un tel état pour un mec que je ne connais ni de près ni de loin, mais j'ai réellement la gerbe de voir ce qui arrive à Chris Polk. Le mec a été un monstre pour nous, il a PORTé notre équipe sur ses épaules, et maintenant voila que les pros ne le prennent pas ca ril serait fragile. C'est sur vaut mieux avoir un Craig Lumpking en 4e RB qu'un mec qui pourrait etre un vrai titulaire...
Citation (Dirty @ 29/04/2012 01:17)
Surtout que le mec a joué 2 ans avec une dégénérescence de l'épaule et a été un monstre sur le terrain, il ne méritait pas ça.
On dirait que les équipes n'ont pas retenu la leçon Arian Foster.
On dirait que les équipes n'ont pas retenu la leçon Arian Foster.
Il y a quand même un truc que je trouve chelou c'est qu'on en entend parler que maintenant. Et je trouve chelou aussi qu'aucune équipe est quand même pris le risque même avec un 7e pick de merde ca coutait rien surtout pour un mec qui est techniquement top 5 talent à son poste dans cette draft. La je viens de voir qu'on a pick un mec qui sort de 2 ACL ca me parait beaucoup plus risqué que Polk et sa dégénérescence
Avec les rosters à 90 spots, il devrait quand même trouver une équipe.
Ci-dessous, la preuve qu'on peut ne pas être drafté et quand même devenir un bon pro
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/...rs-hidden-gems/
Romo,Foster, Jackson,Gates,Welker,Cruz,Floyd,Austin en attaque
Harrison,Wake,Clemons,Scott,Hawthorne,Williams,Grimes en defense
Bien les scouts
Ci-dessous, la preuve qu'on peut ne pas être drafté et quand même devenir un bon pro
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/...rs-hidden-gems/
Romo,Foster, Jackson,Gates,Welker,Cruz,Floyd,Austin en attaque
Harrison,Wake,Clemons,Scott,Hawthorne,Williams,Grimes en defense
Bien les scouts
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Sarkisian says reports of Polk having significant injury issues are "news to me."
Ca me fout les boules pour lui
Deg' aussi qu'il n'y ait pas plus de relation entre les Seahawks et UW. Les mecs auraient pu le prendre au 7ème tour... On avait quoi à perdre sérieux ?
Pour Dimset :
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Less than five minutes after the Seahawks plucked Irvin, with a pick that surprised many pundits, the telephone rang in the Seattle "war room." On the other end was a Jets' official, good-naturedly cursing a Seahawks' counterpart for having chosen the prospect New York planned to grab one pick later. San Francisco dispatched an assistant coach to meet with, and work out, Irvin two days before the draft. One of the teams intrigued by Irvin phoned him the week before the draft to indicate its interest in him.
Polk aux Eagles en UDFA apparemment
Tauren Poole aux Seahawks
Chris Owusu aux 49ers
Tauren Poole aux Seahawks
Chris Owusu aux 49ers
Ben je suis pas medecin, mais si c'est un truc degenerescent, ca veut pas justement dire que pour le moment il va pas mal mais que d'ici X annees (selon la rapidite d'avancement de la maladie), il va prendre un coup a l'epaule, elle va sauter et fin de carriere?
Bon sinon, on a pris le RB de Baylor. On verra bien ce que ca vaut, mais ca me semble pas bete.
Bon sinon, on a pris le RB de Baylor. On verra bien ce que ca vaut, mais ca me semble pas bete.
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Congrats to James Rodgers who joins his brother Quizz in Atlanta
Jeff Fuller rejoint son QB à Miami
Burfict aux Bengals
Citation (Dirty @ 29/04/2012 02:13)
Polk aux Eagles en UDFA apparemment
Excellente nouvelle, un potentiel gros playmaker sans prendre le moindre risque, je signe direct ! D'ailleurs dans le même genre si on pouvait choper Chase Minnifield (ancien round 2 prospect) ça serait parfait ^^
Ça fait quand même une draft ultra complète cette saison pour les Eagles, et ça fait méchamment plaisir
Entre parenthèses le type de joueurs dont il s'agit (c'est une comparaison du style de jeu + que de la qualité)
12. Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi State (Kevin Williams / Cullen Jenkins)
Petit trade up pour aller le chercher, mais à priori ça valait vraiment le coup, en tout cas Andy Reid en avait fait sa cible numéro 1. Gros chasseur de QB, doit encore s'améliorer sur le run block. Excellent pick
46. Mychal Kendricks, ILB, California (Bart Scott / David Harris)
Excellent joueur, monstre physique, et grosse value en #46. Le seul truc c'est que c'est plus un ILB qu'un OLB, mais j'imagine qu'avec la signature de DeMeco Ryans il se décalera sur un côté.
59. Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall (Cameron Wake / Trent Cole)
Un DE que pas mal de boards voyaient partir en fin de premier tour : gros value pick à ce poste, il sera dans la rotation avec Brandon Graham derrière Cole et Babin pendant au moins une saison. Pas de risque, gros potentiel, presque un steal.
88. Nick Foles, QB, Arizona (Curtis Painter / Derek Anderson
)Premier pick assez moyen : le joueur est intéressant et pourrait faire un bon QB de développement, mais c'est un peu haut compte tenu de son niveau, il aurait surement été là un tour + tard...
123. Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia (Brent Grimes)
... mais c'est pas grave parce qu'un tour + tard justement les Eagles réalisent un des + beaux steals de la draft (classé #61 par Mayock). Je connaissais mal mais j'ai regardé quelques vidéos, ça serait pas étonnant qu'il prenne rapidement la place de Rodgers-Cromartie
153. Dennis Kelly, OT, Purdue
Gros reach à priori, peut être un man crush de Howard Mudd... Premier choix vraiment douteux
194. Marvin McNutt, WR, Iowa (Kevin Walter)
Woot woot, une grooooosse cible pour la red zone, et en plus il va vite. Jason Avant risque de nettement moins voir le terrain
200. Brandon Washington, G/OT, Miami
Raaaaaaaaaw prospect, mais à priori énorme potentiel. Un bon vieux steal. (Dirty si tu le connais un peu je suis tout ouï)
229. Bryce Brown, RB, Kansas State
A peu de chance de passer le cut, surtout avec la signature de Polk... m'enfin au 7e tour ça se tente.
Edit : bon bah pas de Minnifield (il a signé avec Washington) mais Cliff Harris (CB/PR), un gros potentiel en provenance d'Oregon, mais complètement teubé et qui a globalement été suspendu toute la saison pour des problèmes extra-sportifs (Oregon style baby). Comme pour Polk (mais pas pour les mêmes raisons) le potentiel est là et le risque est super limité en UDFA
Citation (Dirty @ 29/04/2012 02:23)
Burfict aux Bengals
dans le genre cliché...Merci pour le live twitter les mecs
Content que Polk ait une chance aux Eagles. Après j'aurais préféré qu'on l'a lui donne mais avec Turbin de drafté c'est plus compliqué. Content qu'on signe aussi Kearse de UW. S'il travaille ses problèmes de passes mal réceptionnées parfois, ça pourrait être une bonne surprise.
Pour NYS : Tim Tebow, 95ème dans le top 100 des joueurs de 2012 ! Lynch 94ème... et Chris Johnson 100. La blague quoi...
Citation (CL @ 29/04/2012 11:43)
Pour NYS : Tim Tebow, 95ème dans le top 100 des joueurs de 2012 ! Lynch 94ème... et Chris Johnson 100. La blague quoi...
Mieux vaut le top 101 de PFF, lancé ce matin :
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PFF Top 101 of 2011: 101 to 91
After weeks of us talking it up, the time is finally here for Pro Football Focus to start the countdown to our top player of the 2011 season.
After much individual prep work and a marathon discussion between Neil Hornsby, Khaled Elsayed, Ben Stockwell and Sam Monson, a Top 101 was created using these criteria:
• It was based solely on 2011.
• It was based on an ethos of all positions created equal. This isn’t about the most valuable players; otherwise there would be a lot more quarterbacks. This is about looking at what is expected from a position and who most exceeded that.
Now it’s time to start things off!
101. Chris Gamble, CB, Carolina Panthers
A real bounce back year for Gamble as the cornerback was able to find the form that deserted him a season earlier. He showed his class with a string of good performances that saw him allow just 27 receptions for 338 yards whilst he was in primary coverage all year. Those kinds of numbers should let you know teams shied away from throwing at him, and when they did, they got little joy with quarterbacks picking up a 53.3 QB rating in his coverage.
Best Performance: Week 15 at Houston (+3.5)
Key Stat: Gave up just 0.68 yards per route in coverage. The third lowest of all cornerbacks in the league.
100. Erin Henderson, LB, Minnesota Vikings
A contentious pick, some argued Henderson shouldn’t have made the list because he was limited to a two down role for most of the season. It says something about just how good he was in 2011 that he still earned a spot in ourTop 101, helped by finishing fourth overall in our 4-3 outside linebacker rankings. His numbers don’t particularly jump out at you and scream excellence, but when you factor in his more limited snap count, you start to see a very special player
Best Performance: Week 4 at Kansas City (+3.1)
Key Stat: Was the top-ranked 4-3 OLB in our Run Stop Percentage “Signature Stat” that looks at how many defensive stops a player made solely on running plays relative to how many snaps he is on the field for running downs.
99. Richard Sherman, CB, Seattle Seahawks
What a rookie year from Sherman who assumed a starting role in Week 8 and never looked back, turning his 785 snaps into a spot on this list. Actually earned our fourth-highest grade of all cornerbacks in coverage, but hurt his stock with a rather disappointing nine penalties that almost saw him fall off the list. In the end, though, we couldn’t overlook a fine year he’ll have trouble bettering as a sophomore.
Best Performance: Week 11 at St Louis (+2.6)
Key Stat: Gave up receptions on just 46.4% of balls thrown at him when he was in coverage.
98. Josh Sitton, G, Green Bay Packers
Another good year for Sitton who in our guard rankings finished fourth overall for his pass blocking, and fifth with his run blocking. His pass protection was a particular highlight with him only allowing his QB to hit the ground three times all year. Not as dominant with his run blocking as the other guards on the list (and seven penalties are too many) but still another fine year from a fine player.
Best Performance: Week 1 versus New Orleans (+5.1)
Key Stat: Gave up just nine pressures (two sacks, one hit and six hurries) all year.
97. Brian Orakpo, OLB, Washington Redskins
The Redskin outside linebacker continued his rise to be one of the most productive pass rushers in the league with another excellent season. Finished fifth out of 3-4 OLBs with a +26.0 pass rushing grade, but remains something of a one dimensional weapon who failed to make much of an impact in run defense. You live with that because he’s capable of taking over a game with his speed off the edge.
Best Performance: Week 4 at St Louis (+8.1)
Key Stat: Finished the season with 59 combined sacks, hits and hurries.
96. London Fletcher, LB, Washington Redskins
Two Redskins on the bounce and as you would expect from us this is far more than simply recognition for a lifetime of productivity from Fletcher. Of all 3-4 inside linebackers Fletcher finished fifth, grading positively in every area of his game. Not bad for a soon to be 37-year-old. Had the third-highest number of tackles in the league, notched up 17 QB disruptions and even broke up four passes to go along with two interceptions. A complete year from a complete player.
Best Performance: Week 11 versus Dallas (+5.3)
Key Stat: Allowed a completion rate of just 60% into his coverage. Second lowest of all inside linebackers.
95. Cam Newton, QB, Carolina Panthers
While we weren’t always sold on his passing (-9.4) Newton brought so much more to the table than just that, as evidenced by his +8.3 overall rating, the number of records he broke, and how he re-energized a franchise that seemingly was going nowhere. Will occasionally throw the odd ball that makes you question his sanity, but stood up and made so many plays we couldn’t leave him off the list.
Best Performance: Week 4 at Chicago (+5.6)
Key Stat: Ran the ball for 14 touchdowns, breaking 19 tackles in the process. That was the same number of tackles broken as DeAngelo Williams, Michael Bush, and BenJarvus Green-Ellis.
94. Alan Branch, DT, Seattle Seahawks
During his time as a Cardinal we’d seen flashes from Branch, but nothing to suggest he was capable of playing like he did in 2011. None of his numbers really jump out, but his game was about so much more than what can be measured on a stat sheet. A disruptive presence, Branch was the type of player who redirected runs and facilitated others on his team racking up the stats. The Seahawks player personnel department is doing a great job of finding defensive players; using them to highlight their strengths, and reaping the rewards.
Best Performance: Week 14 versus St Louis (+3.3).
Key Stat: Had our third-highest grade of all defensive tackles in run defense (+19.2).
93. Asante Samuel, CB, Philadelphia Eagles
Some may want to write Samuel off, but if his 2011 is anything to go by he still has it. He gave up just two penalties and two touchdowns all year while picking up three interceptions and breaking up six passes. Previous form (as someone who often jumps routes and gets beat on doubles moves) is held against him, but it didn’t show up an awful lot last year.
Best Performance: Week 14 at Miami (+4.6)
Key Stat: Gave up just 296 yards all season long.
92. Marshawn Lynch, RB, Seattle Seahawks
His beast mode run against the Saints in the 2010 playoffs seemed to have awoken something in Lynch, who put forward his best year to date with a 1,203 yard season. Wasn’t always helped by his blocking, but found a way to make yards by simply shrugging off would be tacklers like they had no right touching him. Not much of an every down threat, he did however pick up 13 total touchdowns.
Best Performance: Week 13 versus Philadelphia (+3.3)
Key Stat: Broke 52 tackles as a rusher, the second most of all running backs (only Michael “I faced Tampa twice” Turner had more).
91. Chris Long, DE, St Louis Rams
Long has long divided opinions amongst PFF staff (pun intended). We respect his pass rushing, but detest his run defense. This year he was the ultimate sellout as he seemingly gave up on playing the run and just zeroed in on the quarterback. It meant that he managed just 15 defensive stops in the run game all year (despite playing 385 snaps in run defense), but also that he led all defensive ends with 83 combined sacks, hits, and hurries.
Best Performance: Week 8 versus New Orleans (+5.5)
Key Stat: Every single one of his pressures came rushing from the left side. Did not attempt one pass rush from the defensive right end position.
After weeks of us talking it up, the time is finally here for Pro Football Focus to start the countdown to our top player of the 2011 season.
After much individual prep work and a marathon discussion between Neil Hornsby, Khaled Elsayed, Ben Stockwell and Sam Monson, a Top 101 was created using these criteria:
• It was based solely on 2011.
• It was based on an ethos of all positions created equal. This isn’t about the most valuable players; otherwise there would be a lot more quarterbacks. This is about looking at what is expected from a position and who most exceeded that.
Now it’s time to start things off!
101. Chris Gamble, CB, Carolina Panthers
A real bounce back year for Gamble as the cornerback was able to find the form that deserted him a season earlier. He showed his class with a string of good performances that saw him allow just 27 receptions for 338 yards whilst he was in primary coverage all year. Those kinds of numbers should let you know teams shied away from throwing at him, and when they did, they got little joy with quarterbacks picking up a 53.3 QB rating in his coverage.
Best Performance: Week 15 at Houston (+3.5)
Key Stat: Gave up just 0.68 yards per route in coverage. The third lowest of all cornerbacks in the league.
100. Erin Henderson, LB, Minnesota Vikings
A contentious pick, some argued Henderson shouldn’t have made the list because he was limited to a two down role for most of the season. It says something about just how good he was in 2011 that he still earned a spot in ourTop 101, helped by finishing fourth overall in our 4-3 outside linebacker rankings. His numbers don’t particularly jump out at you and scream excellence, but when you factor in his more limited snap count, you start to see a very special player
Best Performance: Week 4 at Kansas City (+3.1)
Key Stat: Was the top-ranked 4-3 OLB in our Run Stop Percentage “Signature Stat” that looks at how many defensive stops a player made solely on running plays relative to how many snaps he is on the field for running downs.
99. Richard Sherman, CB, Seattle Seahawks
What a rookie year from Sherman who assumed a starting role in Week 8 and never looked back, turning his 785 snaps into a spot on this list. Actually earned our fourth-highest grade of all cornerbacks in coverage, but hurt his stock with a rather disappointing nine penalties that almost saw him fall off the list. In the end, though, we couldn’t overlook a fine year he’ll have trouble bettering as a sophomore.
Best Performance: Week 11 at St Louis (+2.6)
Key Stat: Gave up receptions on just 46.4% of balls thrown at him when he was in coverage.
98. Josh Sitton, G, Green Bay Packers
Another good year for Sitton who in our guard rankings finished fourth overall for his pass blocking, and fifth with his run blocking. His pass protection was a particular highlight with him only allowing his QB to hit the ground three times all year. Not as dominant with his run blocking as the other guards on the list (and seven penalties are too many) but still another fine year from a fine player.
Best Performance: Week 1 versus New Orleans (+5.1)
Key Stat: Gave up just nine pressures (two sacks, one hit and six hurries) all year.
97. Brian Orakpo, OLB, Washington Redskins
The Redskin outside linebacker continued his rise to be one of the most productive pass rushers in the league with another excellent season. Finished fifth out of 3-4 OLBs with a +26.0 pass rushing grade, but remains something of a one dimensional weapon who failed to make much of an impact in run defense. You live with that because he’s capable of taking over a game with his speed off the edge.
Best Performance: Week 4 at St Louis (+8.1)
Key Stat: Finished the season with 59 combined sacks, hits and hurries.
96. London Fletcher, LB, Washington Redskins
Two Redskins on the bounce and as you would expect from us this is far more than simply recognition for a lifetime of productivity from Fletcher. Of all 3-4 inside linebackers Fletcher finished fifth, grading positively in every area of his game. Not bad for a soon to be 37-year-old. Had the third-highest number of tackles in the league, notched up 17 QB disruptions and even broke up four passes to go along with two interceptions. A complete year from a complete player.
Best Performance: Week 11 versus Dallas (+5.3)
Key Stat: Allowed a completion rate of just 60% into his coverage. Second lowest of all inside linebackers.
95. Cam Newton, QB, Carolina Panthers
While we weren’t always sold on his passing (-9.4) Newton brought so much more to the table than just that, as evidenced by his +8.3 overall rating, the number of records he broke, and how he re-energized a franchise that seemingly was going nowhere. Will occasionally throw the odd ball that makes you question his sanity, but stood up and made so many plays we couldn’t leave him off the list.
Best Performance: Week 4 at Chicago (+5.6)
Key Stat: Ran the ball for 14 touchdowns, breaking 19 tackles in the process. That was the same number of tackles broken as DeAngelo Williams, Michael Bush, and BenJarvus Green-Ellis.
94. Alan Branch, DT, Seattle Seahawks
During his time as a Cardinal we’d seen flashes from Branch, but nothing to suggest he was capable of playing like he did in 2011. None of his numbers really jump out, but his game was about so much more than what can be measured on a stat sheet. A disruptive presence, Branch was the type of player who redirected runs and facilitated others on his team racking up the stats. The Seahawks player personnel department is doing a great job of finding defensive players; using them to highlight their strengths, and reaping the rewards.
Best Performance: Week 14 versus St Louis (+3.3).
Key Stat: Had our third-highest grade of all defensive tackles in run defense (+19.2).
93. Asante Samuel, CB, Philadelphia Eagles
Some may want to write Samuel off, but if his 2011 is anything to go by he still has it. He gave up just two penalties and two touchdowns all year while picking up three interceptions and breaking up six passes. Previous form (as someone who often jumps routes and gets beat on doubles moves) is held against him, but it didn’t show up an awful lot last year.
Best Performance: Week 14 at Miami (+4.6)
Key Stat: Gave up just 296 yards all season long.
92. Marshawn Lynch, RB, Seattle Seahawks
His beast mode run against the Saints in the 2010 playoffs seemed to have awoken something in Lynch, who put forward his best year to date with a 1,203 yard season. Wasn’t always helped by his blocking, but found a way to make yards by simply shrugging off would be tacklers like they had no right touching him. Not much of an every down threat, he did however pick up 13 total touchdowns.
Best Performance: Week 13 versus Philadelphia (+3.3)
Key Stat: Broke 52 tackles as a rusher, the second most of all running backs (only Michael “I faced Tampa twice” Turner had more).
91. Chris Long, DE, St Louis Rams
Long has long divided opinions amongst PFF staff (pun intended). We respect his pass rushing, but detest his run defense. This year he was the ultimate sellout as he seemingly gave up on playing the run and just zeroed in on the quarterback. It meant that he managed just 15 defensive stops in the run game all year (despite playing 385 snaps in run defense), but also that he led all defensive ends with 83 combined sacks, hits, and hurries.
Best Performance: Week 8 versus New Orleans (+5.5)
Key Stat: Every single one of his pressures came rushing from the left side. Did not attempt one pass rush from the defensive right end position.
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Ben je suis pas medecin, mais si c'est un truc degenerescent, ca veut pas justement dire que pour le moment il va pas mal mais que d'ici X annees (selon la rapidite d'avancement de la maladie), il va prendre un coup a l'epaule, elle va sauter et fin de carriere?
Bon sinon, on a pris le RB de Baylor. On verra bien ce que ca vaut, mais ca me semble pas bete.
Bon sinon, on a pris le RB de Baylor. On verra bien ce que ca vaut, mais ca me semble pas bete.
C'est un runner en puissance, genre même type que Green quoi. J'aurais préféré qu'on prenne plus un playmaker de complément explosif genre Rainey (fils de pute de steelers
).Sinon on a pris 2 Safety en fin de draft Bush et Allen avec un peu de chance un des 2 pourra contribuer voir devenir starter, j'aime bien le profil de Bush enfin on verra bien.
Gannaway je l'ai vu au Senior Bowl, il est vraiment très puissant genre boulet de canon lancé. Je comparerais à Tolbert mais il a un gabarit différent. Michael Bush ptet. Pas trop sur de son agilité.
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Gannaway je l'ai vu au Senior Bowl, il est vraiment très puissant genre boulet de canon lancé. Je comparerais à Tolbert mais il a un gabarit différent. Michael Bush ptet. Pas trop sur de son agilité.
Ouais j'ai vu une comparaison Brandon Jacobs, je pense qu'il aura plus ou moins le même role chez les Jets, Goal line, short yardage etc...
Je le trouve plus puissant que Jacobs bon c'était contre des défenseurs NCAA faut dire, et par contre plus long à se mettre en route. Quand il est lancé c'est juste chaud de l'arrêter...
edit: nan je m'emballe pas plus puissant que jAcbos jusqu'a preuve du contraire
edit: nan je m'emballe pas plus puissant que jAcbos jusqu'a preuve du contraire
C'est lui qui vous avait refait le cul pendant l'Alamo Bowl non?
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C'est lui qui vous avait refait le cul pendant l'Alamo Bowl non?
Oui. Mais il a marqué genre 40% des TD de sa saison sur ce match (de tête).
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Oui. Mais il a marqué genre 40% des TD de sa saison sur ce match (de tête).
5/21
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5/21
Je sais pas pourquoi, j'étais persuadé qu'il en avait marqué peu durant la saison quand j'avais maté à l'époque.
Chaud l'histoire de Turbin :
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Since the age of 8, Turbin has helped his father – a single parent – care for his older sister, Tiffany, who has cerebral palsy and is confined to a wheelchair.
“He’s got great character,” Carroll said after the Q&A session with reporters to recap the players the Seahawks selected the past three days.
“Robert Turbin was the most impressive interview that we did at the combine. He’s got an amazing story and he knocked us out with that. He’s such a complete package that he fits the bill in all areas.”
Turbin takes it in stride. His sister needed help, and his father needed help caring for her.
“She’s in a wheelchair, the only thing she can move is her head,” Turbin said of Tiffany, who is now 33. “My role was to feed her when it was time to feed her and give her water and change diapers and put her to sleep – and pretty much do everything that you would do with a newborn baby.
“That’s pretty much how it was all the time, that’s pretty much how it still is. That was my role. Whenever my dad was gone or at work, when I would come home from school, while I was doing my homework, I would take care of Tiffany.”
There was no tone of “look what I did,” and not a notion of “woe is me,” as Turbin explained his daily routine that started as a third-grader. He discussed caring for his sister like he might describe why a certain running play worked against a certain defense.
But then Tiffany’s situation wasn’t the only trauma in young Robert Turbin’s life. Another of his sisters died when he was only 5.
“I was real young then, I didn’t really understand what was going on,” he explained. “But she’s been a huge inspiration. A lot of stuff motivated me to be a ball player.”
“He’s got great character,” Carroll said after the Q&A session with reporters to recap the players the Seahawks selected the past three days.
“Robert Turbin was the most impressive interview that we did at the combine. He’s got an amazing story and he knocked us out with that. He’s such a complete package that he fits the bill in all areas.”
Turbin takes it in stride. His sister needed help, and his father needed help caring for her.
“She’s in a wheelchair, the only thing she can move is her head,” Turbin said of Tiffany, who is now 33. “My role was to feed her when it was time to feed her and give her water and change diapers and put her to sleep – and pretty much do everything that you would do with a newborn baby.
“That’s pretty much how it was all the time, that’s pretty much how it still is. That was my role. Whenever my dad was gone or at work, when I would come home from school, while I was doing my homework, I would take care of Tiffany.”
There was no tone of “look what I did,” and not a notion of “woe is me,” as Turbin explained his daily routine that started as a third-grader. He discussed caring for his sister like he might describe why a certain running play worked against a certain defense.
But then Tiffany’s situation wasn’t the only trauma in young Robert Turbin’s life. Another of his sisters died when he was only 5.
“I was real young then, I didn’t really understand what was going on,” he explained. “But she’s been a huge inspiration. A lot of stuff motivated me to be a ball player.”
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ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported Saturday that the Redskins drafted Kirk Cousins in the fourth round with the intention of "developing" him and trading Cousins for draft picks down the road.
The Cousins pick has drawn media flak due to a phony QB controversy, though Cousins won't even be Robert Griffin III's backup. He'll be a third-stringer, and Rex Grossman will play if Griffin struggles. The Redskins will hope that Cousins' arm gets stronger and he adds some weight while riding the bench. At worst, the Redskins have themselves a potentially quality long-term backup. At best, Cousins will bring back a second-round pick in a few years.
The Cousins pick has drawn media flak due to a phony QB controversy, though Cousins won't even be Robert Griffin III's backup. He'll be a third-stringer, and Rex Grossman will play if Griffin struggles. The Redskins will hope that Cousins' arm gets stronger and he adds some weight while riding the bench. At worst, the Redskins have themselves a potentially quality long-term backup. At best, Cousins will bring back a second-round pick in a few years.
Les Redsinks
Leur équipe est déjà tellement performante qu'ils peuvent se permettre ce genre de choses
Bon a en lire les Draft Grading, les Eagles vont gagner facile le SuperBowl un nouvelle fois ce printemps.
Toutes les conneries post draf qui sortent genre Andy Reid "on avait un 4th round grade sur Polk" bah pourquoi vous l'avez pas drafté dans le 5e, 6e ou 7e ? c'est qu'un exemple mais j'en lis plein partout ca dégoutte
c'est qu'un exemple mais j'en lis plein partout ca dégoutte
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Toutes les conneries post draf qui sortent genre Andy Reid "on avait un 4th round grade sur Polk" bah pourquoi vous l'avez pas drafté dans le 5e, 6e ou 7e ? c'est qu'un exemple mais j'en lis plein partout ca dégoutte
c'est qu'un exemple mais j'en lis plein partout ca dégoutte J'imagine que les mecs sortent ce genre de trucs pour se faire mousser et faire genre ils ont fait que des freaking steals... et si tu leur demandes pourquoi ils l'ont pas drafté avant ils te diront que les joueurs draftés aux 5e, 6e et 7e tour avaient tous des 3rd round grades
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Bon a en lire les Draft Grading, les Eagles vont gagner facile le SuperBowl un nouvelle fois ce printemps.
Bah le fait est qu'ils ont plutôt fait une bonne draft et comblé une bonne partie de leurs lacunes non ? Après il reste évidemment des impondérables dans un sport d'équipe.
Pour moi les meilleures draft ont été faites par les Lions, les Eagles et les Steelers (Vikes et Titans pas loin), du côté des grands perdants je mettrais les Broncos, les Seahawks et les Chiefs (Raiders et Saints trop durs à noter)
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J'imagine que les mecs sortent ce genre de trucs pour se faire mousser et faire genre ils ont fait que des freaking steals... et si tu leur demandes pourquoi ils l'ont pas drafté avant ils te diront que les joueurs draftés aux 5e, 6e et 7e tour avaient tous des 3rd round grades
Non en fait, les grades sont donnés aux joueurs dans un 1er temps (au vu de leur gametape et tout ce qui touche au terrain) et ensuite il y a ce qu'on appelle les DND (do not draft - soit complètement donc retirés du board, soit pas avant un certain tour) qui sont appliqués à certains (au vu des blessures, du comportement..bref ce les fameux red flags).
Donc les Eagles avaient un 4th round grade sur Polk mais également un tag DND.
Sans ses blessures, Philly aurait pu le drafter à partir du 4e tour.
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Kellen Moore sera le Andy Dalton/Jimmy Clausen de l'année prochaine, pimpé par Peter King, Kiper and co parce que c'est un "winner", ignorant que c'est un joueur limité, et tu ne les entendras bizarrement plus parler quand au bout de 4 matchs de saisons régulières il aura été supplanté par Trent Edwards.
Message qui date du début de la saison de College, joueur meme pas drafté, Varino
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Message qui date du début de la saison de College, joueur meme pas drafté, Varino
Ouais enfin le mec a pas été pimpé (autant que je sache)et les experts se foutaient de sa gueule pendant la draft
Il n'a jamais été vu comme un haut pick potentiel a n’importe quel moment du processus pre draft (au contraire, que du late round grade)
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