Maintenant, on attend le tweet de Jean-Michel Aulas et le communiqué du Bayern de Munich.

si monaco pouvait laisser gagner le mans la semaine prochaine...

Je pense que c'est surtout Aulas et les autres qui lui foutent la pression.

Ils ont raison.

Quand je vois combien on galère pour être champion avec un OM claqué en face, ça me fait chier de voir Monaco avec Falcao et plein d'autres mecs dans le style.

Tout le forum se réjouit de leur retour, mais ils vont bien nous faire chier, c'est écrit.

Ils ont raison.

Quand je vois combien on galère pour être champion avec un OM claqué en face, ça me fait chier de voir Monaco avec Falcao et plein d'autres mecs dans le style.

Tout le forum se réjouit de leur retour, mais ils vont bien nous faire chier, c'est écrit.

Puis à vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire

En ce qui concerne Moustache on l'attend de pied ferme au Louis II pour la remise du trophée "La Ligue! La Ligue! On t'encule!!!"

Rien contre toi, mais c'est une sacrée phrase de loser.

Il a pourtant plutôt raison sur le fond. Écraser la L1 (ce qu'on aurait dû faire cette année, et largement) c'est bien gentil, mais perso je ressens même pas de réelle joie à l'approche d'un titre pourtant attendu depuis longtemps, tandis que l'an dernier j'aurais été comme un fou. Pour qu'un titre ait de la saveur faut qu'il y ait eu une course, un truc qui te fait monter l'adrénaline quoi. Là franchement on a un petit coup de stress dû au fait que Marseille s'accroche, rien de plus. Peut-être qu'avec Monaco l'hégémonie annoncée du PSG n'aura pas lieu, mais je pense qu'on kiffera bien plus les éventuels titres à venir.

il délivre le peuple monégasque

Surtout que les J9 et autres voitures du Parcage d'auxerre doit avoir des immats d'IDF en majorité

C'est pas l'extérieur qui pose problème avec Monaco, c'est à domicile

C'est pas l'extérieur qui pose problème avec Monaco, c'est à domicile

Le recrutement qui s'annonce pharaonique va probablement attirer pas mal de monde en tribune quand même, ça m'étonnerai pas qu'ils battent leur record d'affluence moyenne la saison prochaine. Curieux de voir combien de monde il y aura à Louis II.

Leur intersaison va être intéressante à suivre en tout cas, probablement énormément de départs vu le nombre de mec inutiles dans leur effectif et une tonne d'arrivées aussi.

Les dirigeants de clubs ne peuvent conclure un contrat contenant une "clause libératoire", prévoyant avant terme, en contrepartie d’une indemnité, la rupture de la relation contractuelle par l’un ou l’autre des cocontractants,
une "clause résolutoire" ou une clause de résiliation unilatérale avec un joueur professionnel français ou étranger qu’il s’agisse du club ou du joueur.

http://www.lfp.fr/reglements/reglements/20.../reglAdmin2.pdf

Et sinon, à voir, mais en quoi le fait de situer leur siège en France changerait quelque chose au statut fiscal des joueurs, vu que c'est le lieu de résidence qui compte ?

Non mais on parle des charges de l'employeur seuleument la non?
Après en habitant sur Monaco les joueurs eux paieront toujours moins d'impôts . Je me trompe.?

Mancini annoncé à Monaco.
C'est bon les mecs, vous pouvez signer Falcao, Messi et CR c'est mort pour vous

Mancini annoncé à Monaco.
C'est bon les mecs, vous pouvez signer Falcao, Messi et CR c'est mort pour vous

https://twitter.com/infosportplus/status/333877076971110400

— CulturePSG (@CulturePSG) November7, 2011

J'adore Falcao et je suis assez partagé, d'un côté ça me ferait un peu chier qu'il aille à Monaco même si je n'ai rien contre ce club, mais d'un autre côté un joueur pareil en L1 ça serait très sympa

S'il ne peut pas venir en L1 à cause de la ligue et de la jalousie française en générale...

J'adore Falcao et je suis assez partagé, d'un côté ça me ferait un peu chier qu'il aille à Monaco même si je n'ai rien contre ce club, mais d'un autre côté un joueur pareil en L1 ça serait très sympa

Comme je ne le vois pas signer chez nous, je préférerais 1000 fois le voir a Monaco qua City / Chelsea / Real ...

Explaining the Falcao move

You have probably all already seen that Falcao is destined for Monaco. There were a lot of rumors about a potential move to Manchester United, Chelsea, Real Madrid and others - so why does he end up moving to Monaco?

The answer is because of the complicated third-party ownership involved with Falcao. There was a very similar situation with Hulk when he moved to Zenit.

To explain this, we need to take a step back and first see how third party ownership works. Those in England would have previously seen this topic as it reached prominence when Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano signed for West Ham United. Here were two stars from Argentina signing for a club in London who were struggling to stay in the top flight. The controversy lead to West Ham paying compensation of £18M to Sheffield United, and lead the FA to ban third party ownership.

But third party ownership is still alive and well on the continent. It is most often applied with South American stars making the jump across the Atlantic to Europe. The way it works is that investment groups will purchase the registration rights of an upcoming player. This is sometimes done while the player is at a club, and sometimes as part of a transfer.

For eg. one scenario would be that a 16 year old star in South America would be approached by an agent and asked if he wants backing with marketing and making it big in Europe. These deals usually involve paying the player a better salary, hooking him up with a better agent, better management, sponsorship deals etc. If and when the player agrees, the third party owners will then go to the club he is registered to and negotiate to buy his registration rights - either all of or part of.

The player is then in the hands of the management and third party ownership group, who manage every aspect of his career from that point on. That usually involves paying him a larger salary on top of his club salary, placing him in clubs where he will get more exposure, etc.

The other way third-party ownership happens is that the investment group finances a transfer for a player. For eg. Porto want to sign a player from Brasil but don't have the funds, they would approach an investment group and have them stake 50-60% of the deal in return for the players registration rights.

The investment group make all of this upfront investment with the hope that at some point in the future the player proves himself, becomes a star, and can then exit at a very large valuation.

Some examples: Tevez and Mascherano were placed into West Ham by their investment group as a way of getting them more exposure. It worked out well in both cases as Liverpool purchased Mascherano (buying out the investment group and giving them a good return) and City eventually ended up buying out Tevez - albeit via Manchester United (who never owned the entirety of his transfer rights).

Back to Falcao. He was purchased by a third-party ownership group as part of his transfer to Porto. They bought 55% (likely more) of his transfer rights, supplemented his salary while he was paying at Porto and then moved him to Atletico for the purpose of getting him more exposure (likely with an eye on moving him eventually to Real Madrid). During the time Falcao was there, the investors were supplementing his wages again (infact paying most of them) and working on negotiating his big move which would see them cash out.

Porto's financials show the following for the Falcao transfer:

sale of 60% of the economic rights of the player Bolatti to the entity Natland Financieringsmaatschappij B.V., on July 2009, by the amount of, approximately, 1,500,000 Euro, (transaction perform under the acquisition process of 40% of the registration of Falcao)

There is another section where it is disclosed that they sold another 5% option in Falcao, and another section where it is disclosed that there is an option for a third party to purchase a further 10%.

The same filing shows that Porto only owned 45% of Hulk.

What is more interesting is who is involved in the Falcao ownership. The group is called Doyen Sports and it was founded by Jorge Mendes (most famous as Ronaldo's agent, but an infamous player agent who is involved in a lot of third-party deals) and Peter Kenyon (former Chelsea chairman).

On their website they have a page for Falcao and you can also see the other players listed. Falcao, like Hulk, ended up in a situation where there was so much invested in him that it would take a lot of money for the investors to see a return (known as being highly leveraged). They were paying his salary for a few seasons, had floated Atleti some money to keep them alive (they got some shirt sponsorship in return) and had made the initial investment when he first transferred.

Falcao ends up moving to Atletico in a 40M move - despite Atleti the previous season stating that they had to clear players out because of their 50M euro tax bill with the Spanish government. What this ended up being is a 20 + 20M deal. 20M never gets paid because its just the third-party owners paying themselves, and of the other 20M only 16M is owed by Atleti, who take an option of paying in two 8M installments (they were late on the first one, to the point of Porto suing). End situation is that around 60% of the rights are with the Doylen group. It also appears that while Falcao was at Atletico that Doylen took an option for a larger stake in him since Atleti were late on their payments. Something weird happen which involved Doylen taking a sponsorship. Either way, they had the majority stake and Atletico had no say or control of the player. For all purposes it was nothing more than a loan with Atletico having a small stake in his registration rights.

The president of Atletico Madrid continuously insisted that they own all the rights to Falcao, but this simply isn't true.

Falcao is on a wage of 10M euro per year, and the return the investors wanted is 60M euro in transfer fee. This narrows down the list of potential clubs that can buy you out to very few. Atletico had no say in where Falcao goes, they had an option in the winter transfer window, but that expired. The owners needed their return and they were going to get it one way or the other.

The list can be narrowed down to PSG, Monaco, Real Madrid, Chelsea and City. City aren't making large investments any longer, PSG have their fix of strikers. Of the remaining three, it is apparent that Real Madrid didn't want to pay up the 60M + 50M in contracts for Falcao (for whatever reason). Apparently Chelsea matched the 60M clause but to pay Falcao the 10M per season in wages would involve a total gross salary of 300k+ per week, which just isn't manageable. Chelsea also have the issue of not being allowed to directly purchase a player from a third-party owner (apparently this is what turned ManU off a move) so it would have required a two-step sale with Falcao going to one club outright and then to Chelsea. Apparently with the David Luiz transfer on the same day he moved to Chelsea Benfica bought out the entirety of his rights from third-party owners (so you can summize that Chelsea gave them the money to buy out that deal so that they could purchase 100% of Luiz directly from Benfica, thus avoiding the third-party rule in England).

With all of these factors you end up with only one target: Monaco. They have the 60M to pay out the investors, they have the funds to pay his wages of 10M per year and better yet they have no income tax so they don't have to supplement the gross.

So in the end Falcao is moved around Europe by his investors with the only goal of making a return for them. He has little to no say in his final destination because of a deal he agreed to years ago while he was still in South America.

Tu peux faire un résumé de 3 lignes si on a la flemme stp?

Tu peux faire un résumé de 3 lignes si on parle pas anglais stp?

Et le joueur peut pas leur mettre la pression pour baisser le tarif?