Dans le monde réel, une entreprise qui investi à perte (comme Bein, ou psg sans le contrat qta) elle fait faillite.

Dans le monde réel, une entreprise qui investi à perte (comme Bein, ou psg sans le contrat qta) elle fait faillite.

Donc quand tu montes une usine il te faut vendre les produit avant d avoir les machines pour les fabriquer

Bien sur que quand tu commences à monter une boite, avant d'avoir des cash flow positifs il faut investir, mais je ne sais pas pourquoi mais j'ai dans l'idée que les qataris ne reveront jamais l'argent qu'ils on investi dans le psg ni dans Bein, mais sa ils s'en foutent.

Agreements for AS Monaco FC, AS Roma, Beşiktaş JK, FC Internazionale Milano, FC Krasnodar, FC Lokomotiv Moskva, Sporting Clube de Portugal, FC Rostov, Kardemir Karabükspor and PFC CSKA Sofia.

The Club Financial Control Body (CFCB) investigatory chamber today announced that ten clubs, for which investigations were opened following non-compliance with financial fair play (FFP) break-even regulations, have individually agreed to settlement agreements.

Beşiktaş JK

The settlement agreement covers the sporting seasons 2015/16, 2016/17, 2017/18 and 2018/19.
Beşiktaş undertakes to reach full break-even compliance by monitoring period 2018/19 (i.e. reporting periods 2016, 2017 and 2018).
Beşiktaş accepts that it will be subject to a limitation on the number of players that it may include on the A list for the purposes of participation in UEFA competitions. Specifically, for season 2015/16, Beşiktaş may only register a maximum of 22 players on the A list, instead of the potential maximum of 25 as foreseen in the relevant competition regulations, and 23 players for the 2016/17 season. Such restriction will be lifted as from season 2017/18 if the club fulfils the operational and financial measures agreed with the UEFA CFCB.
Beşiktaş agrees to pay a total amount up to €5.5m, which will be withheld from any revenues it earns from participating in UEFA competitions commencing in season 2014/15. Of this amount, €1.5m shall be paid in full, irrespective of any early exit from the settlement regime, and will be withheld in three equal instalments. Payment of the remaining €4m is conditional and may be withheld in certain circumstances depending on the club's compliance with the operational and financial measures imposed in the settlement agreement.
Beşiktaş agrees to report a maximum break-even deficit of €20m for the financial year ending in 2016 and €10m for the financial year ending in 2017.
Beşiktaş agrees that for the financial year ending in 2016 and for the financial year ending in 2017 the employee benefit expenses to revenue ratio is restricted and that the amortisation and impairment of the costs of acquiring players' registrations is limited.
Beşiktaş accepts, for the duration of the settlement agreement, a calculated limitation on the number of new registrations it may include within its A list for the purposes of participation in UEFA competitions. This calculation is based on the club's net transfer position in each respective registration period covered by the agreement. Such restriction will be lifted as from season 2017/18 if the club fulfils the operational and financial measures agreed with the UEFA CFCB.

FC Internazionale Milano

The settlement agreement covers the sporting seasons 2015/16, 2016/17, 2017/18 and 2018/19.
Inter undertakes to reach full break-even compliance by monitoring period 2018/19 (i.e. reporting periods 2016, 2017 and 2018).
Inter agrees that for the financial year ending in 2016 and for the financial year ending in 2017 the employee benefit expenses to revenue ratio is restricted and that the amortisation and impairment of the costs of acquiring players' registrations is limited.
Inter agrees to pay a total amount up to €20m, which will be withheld from any revenues it earns from participating in UEFA competitions commencing in season 2014/15. Of this amount, €6m shall be paid in full, irrespective of any early exit from the settlement regime, and will be withheld in three equal instalments. Payment of the remaining €14m is conditional and may be withheld in certain circumstances depending on the club's compliance with the operational and financial measures imposed in the settlement agreement.
Inter agrees to report a maximum break-even deficit of €30m for the financial year ending in 2016 and no break-even deficit for the financial year ending in 2017.
Inter accepts that it will be subject to a limitation on the number of players that it may include on the A list for the purposes of participation in UEFA competitions. Specifically, for season 2015/2016, Inter may only register a maximum of 21 players on the A list, instead of the potential maximum of 25 as foreseen in the relevant competition regulations, and 22 players for the 2016/17 season. Such restriction will be lifted as from season 2017/18 if the club fulfils the operational and financial measures agreed with the UEFA CFCB.
Inter accepts, for the duration of the settlement agreement, a calculated limitation on the number of new registrations it may include within its A list for the purposes of participation in UEFA competitions. This calculation is based on the club's net transfer position in each respective registration period covered by the agreement. Such restrictions will be lifted as from season 2017/18 if the clubs fulfils the operational and financial measures agreed with the UEFA CFCB.

FC Krasnodar

The settlement agreement covers the sporting seasons 2015/16, 2016/17 and 2017/18.
Krasnodar undertakes to reach full break-even compliance by monitoring period 2017/18 (i.e. reporting periods 2015, 2016 and 2017).
Krasnodar accepts, for the duration of the settlement agreement, a calculated limitation on the number of new registrations it may include within its A list for the purposes of participation in UEFA competitions. This calculation is based on the club's net transfer position in each respective registration period covered by the agreement. Such restrictions will be lifted as from season 2016/17 if the club fulfils the operational and financial measures agreed with the UEFA CFCB.
Krasnodar agrees to pay a total amount up to €4m, which will be withheld from any revenues it earns from participating in UEFA competitions commencing in season 2014/15. Of this amount, €1m shall be paid in full, irrespective of any early exit from the settlement regime, and will be withheld in three equal instalments. Payment of the remaining €3m is conditional and may be withheld in certain circumstances depending on the club's compliance with the operational and financial measures imposed in the settlement agreement.
Krasnodar undertakes to report a maximum break-even deficit of €20m for the financial year ending in 2015 and €10m for the financial year ending in 2016.
Krasnodar accepts that it will be subject to a limitation on the number of players that it may include on the A list for the purposes of participation in UEFA competitions. Specifically, for season 2015/16, Krasnodar may only register a maximum of 22 players on the A list, instead of the potential maximum of 25 as foreseen in the relevant competition regulations.

FC Lokomotiv Moskva

The settlement agreement covers the sporting seasons 2015/16, 2016/17 and 2017/18.
Lokomotiv undertakes to reach full break-even compliance by monitoring period 2017/18 (i.e. reporting periods 2015, 2016 and 2017).
Lokomotiv accepts, for the duration of the settlement agreement, a calculated limitation on the number of new registrations it may include within its A list for the purposes of participation in UEFA competitions. This calculation is based on the club's net transfer position in each respective registration period covered by the agreement. Such restrictions will be lifted as from season 2016/17 if the club fulfils the operational and financial measures agreed with the UEFA CFCB.
Lokomotiv agrees to pay a total amount up to €5m, which will be withheld from any revenues it earns from participating in UEFA competitions commencing in season 2014/15. Of this amount, €1.5m shall be paid in full, irrespective of any early exit from the settlement regime, and will be withheld in three equal instalments. Payment of the remaining €3.5m is conditional and may be withheld in certain circumstances depending on the club's compliance with the operational and financial measures imposed in the settlement agreement.
Lokomotiv undertakes to report a maximum break-even deficit of €20m for the financial year ending in 2015 and €10m for the financial year ending in 2016.
Lokomotiv accepts that it will be subject to a limitation on the number of players that it may include on the A list for the purposes of participation in UEFA competitions. Specifically, for season 2015/16, Krasnodar may only register a maximum of 22 players on the A list, instead of the potential maximum of 25 as foreseen in the relevant competition regulations.

AS Monaco FC

The settlement agreement covers the sporting seasons 2015/16, 2016/17 and 2017/18.
Monaco undertakes to reach full break-even compliance by monitoring period 2017/18 (i.e. reporting periods 2015, 2016 and 2017).
Monaco agrees to report a maximum break-even deficit of €15m for the financial years ending in 2015 and 2016 and no break-even deficit for the financial year ending in 2017.
Monaco accepts that it will be subject to a limitation on the number of players that it may include on the A list for the purposes of participation in UEFA competitions. Specifically, for season 2015/2016, Monaco may only register a maximum of 22 players on the A list, instead of the potential maximum of 25 as foreseen in the relevant competition regulations.
Monaco accepts, for the duration of the settlement agreement, a calculated limitation on the number of new registrations it may include within its A List for the purposes of participation in UEFA competitions. This calculation is based on the club's net transfer position in each respective registration period covered by the agreement. Such restrictions will be lifted as from season 2016/17 if the clubs fulfils the operational and financial measures agreed with the UEFA CFCB.
Monaco agrees to pay a total amount up to €13m, which will be withheld from any revenues it earns from participating in UEFA competitions commencing in season 2014/15. Of this amount, €3m shall be paid in full, irrespective of any early exit from the settlement regime, and will be withheld in three equal instalments. Payment of the remaining €10m is conditional and may be withheld in certain circumstances depending on the club's compliance with the operational and financial measures imposed in the settlement agreement.

AS Roma

The settlement agreement covers the sporting seasons 2015/16, 2016/17 and 2017/18.
Roma undertakes to reach full break-even compliance by monitoring period 2017/18 (i.e. reporting periods 2015, 2016 and 2017).
Roma agrees to report an aggregate maximum break-even deficit of €30m for the financial years ending in 2015 and 2016.
Roma accepts that it will be subject to a limitation on the number of players that it may include on the A list for the purposes of participation in UEFA competitions. Roma may only register a maximum of 22 players on the A list, instead of the potential maximum of 25 as foreseen in the relevant competition regulations. Such restriction will be lifted as from season 2016/17 if the club fulfils the operational and financial measures agreed with the UEFA CFCB.
Roma accepts, for the duration of the settlement agreement, a calculated limitation on the number of new registrations it may include within its A list for the purposes of participation in UEFA competitions. This calculation is based on the club's net transfer position in each respective registration period covered by the agreement. Such restrictions will be lifted as from season 2016/17 if the club fulfils the operational and financial measures agreed with the UEFA CFCB.
Roma agrees to pay a total amount up to €6m, which will be withheld from any revenues it earns from participating in UEFA competitions commencing in season 2014/15. Of this amount, €2m shall be paid in full, irrespective of any early exit from the settlement regime, and will be withheld in three equal instalments. Payment of the remaining €4m is conditional and may be withheld in certain circumstances depending on the club's compliance with the operational and financial measures imposed in the settlement agreement.
Sporting Clube de Portugal

The settlement agreement covers the sporting season 2015/16.

Sporting undertakes to reach full break-even compliance by monitoring period 2015/16 (i.e. reporting periods 2013, 2014 and 2015).
Sporting agrees to report no break-even deficit for the financial year ending in 2017.
Sporting accepts that it will be subject to a limitation on the number of players that it may include on the A list for the purposes of participation in UEFA competitions. This restriction, which is conditional on the fulfilment of the operational and financial measures agreed with the UEFA CFCB, foresees that for season 2015/16 Sporting may only register a maximum of 22 players on the A list, instead of the potential maximum of 25 as foreseen in the relevant competition regulations.
Sporting agrees that an amount of €2m may be withheld in certain circumstances depending on the club's compliance with the operational and financial measures imposed in the settlement agreement
PFC CSKA Sofia, Kardemir Karabükspor and FC Rostov

The settlement agreements of CSKA Sofia, Karabükspor and Rostov cover the sporting season 2015/16.

Under the terms of their settlement agreements, CSKA, Karabükspor and Rostov all undertake to be break-even compliant by monitoring period 2015/16 (i.e. reporting periods 2013, 2014 and 2015).
Each club also agrees to pay an unconditional amount of €200,000.
The three clubs also agree that for the financial year ending in 2015 the employee benefit expenses to revenue ratio is restricted.
Note:
UEFA will communicate details on the distribution mechanism of the prize money unconditionally withheld due to non-compliance with financial fair play rules and on the minimum numbers of locally trained players that must feature in the A lists of clubs with limitations on the number of players in due course.

http://www.uefa.org/protecting-the-game/cl...id=2244685.html

Monaco qui vend et prête ses deux meilleurs joueurs mais qui se mange quand même des sanctions. Le russe doit apprécier.

Et toujours ce principe de filer des amendes aux clubs en déficit

Tu perds du fric ? Bah, t'es pas à 15M près ! Allez, envoie la monnaie dans la popoche de Mich Mich !

Vous etes au courant que c'est exactement pareil partout des que tu dois de l'argent? C'est ce qu'on a demande aux grecs, ce sont les agiots, ce sont les penalites pour retard de paiement, etc. Des que tu dois de l'argent, t'es nique. Pourquoi ca vous choque plus la que dans tous les autres aspects de la vie?

Vous etes au courant que c'est exactement pareil partout des que tu dois de l'argent? C'est ce qu'on a demande aux grecs, ce sont les agiots, ce sont les penalites pour retard de paiement, etc. Des que tu dois de l'argent, t'es nique. Pourquoi ca vous choque plus la que dans tous les autres aspects de la vie?

Rien a voir mais alors la strictement rien à voir

C'est de l'extorsion en fait ce truc ?

Vous etes au courant que c'est exactement pareil partout des que tu dois de l'argent? C'est ce qu'on a demande aux grecs, ce sont les agiots, ce sont les penalites pour retard de paiement, etc. Des que tu dois de l'argent, t'es nique. Pourquoi ca vous choque plus la que dans tous les autres aspects de la vie?

Non mais t'es pas sérieux, genre les clubs ont emprunté de l'argent à la banque UEFA et doivent maintenant payer des malus pour retard de remboursement ?

C'est pareil. Lorsque t'es a decouvert, c'est que t'as pas d'argent. Te faire payer des agiots en plus, c'est tout aussi debile. Alors oui, on n'est pas a decouvert, mais du point de vue de l'UEFA on l'est vu qu'ils ne veulent pas valider le contrat QTA. A partir du moment ou t'as des dettes, c'est l'effet boule de neige vu que les penalites sont financieres (ce qui est completement debile).

C'est pareil. Lorsque t'es a decouvert, c'est que t'as pas d'argent. Te faire payer des agiots en plus, c'est tout aussi debile. Alors oui, on n'est pas a decouvert, mais du point de vue de l'UEFA on l'est vu qu'ils ne veulent pas valider le contrat QTA. A partir du moment ou t'as des dettes, c'est l'effet boule de neige vu que les penalites sont financieres (ce qui est completement debile).

Quand je lis les chiffres des éventuelles offres (mythos?) de Manchester City pour Pogba notamment, ils ne sont pas dans le même cadre que nous eux? Avec restrictions des dépenses et de la masse salariale?

Quand je lis les chiffres des éventuelles offres (mythos?) de Manchester City pour Pogba notamment, ils ne sont pas dans le même cadre que nous eux? Avec restrictions des dépenses et de la masse salariale?

En admettant que City soit à peu près dans le même cadre restrictif que nous, ils peuvent donc dépenser environ 50-60 ME hors produits des ventes éventuelles.

Il suffit que City transfère Dzeko et Jovetic voire Touré (par exemple) pour pouvoir largement conclure la venue de Pogba à des conditions pharaoniques.

Hum ils étaient déjà bien au dessus avec leur dernier mercato d'hiver, Bony à 40m€

Quand je lis les chiffres des éventuelles offres (mythos?) de Manchester City pour Pogba notamment, ils ne sont pas dans le même cadre que nous eux? Avec restrictions des dépenses et de la masse salariale?

Non ils avaient tres bien taffé l'été d'avant pour dégager cette enveloppe.

UEFA have confirmed that Manchester City will not be subject to a net spending restriction this summer, provided they meet the terms of the settlement agreement the club signed last year after being found in breach of financial fair play regulations.

That means that, if the club meets the limits set by the agreement -- maximum FFP break-even losses of €20 million ($22.5 million) for the financial year ending in 2014 -- they will not be subjected to the net spending maximum they faced last year, giving them more freedom to rebuild.

Last May, UEFA released a statement listing City's obligations under the terms of the settlement, which included the stipulation that €60 million ($67.5 million) in prize money would be withheld (with two-thirds of it returned if certain targets were reached), that "employee benefit expenses" could not increase and that squad size would be restricted.

Some of those sanctions were conditional and some were fixed. The spending restriction appeared to be fixed: "Manchester City agrees to significantly limit spending in the transfer market for 2014-15 and 2015-16."

Yet City insisted that meeting the settlement terms means they'll be free from this restriction, and, this week UEFA confirmed to ESPN FC that this is indeed the case.

In December, City released their accounts, which showed a loss of £23 million ($35.4 million). However, £16 million ($24.6 million) was the withheld prize money which, like spending on youth development and infrastructure, isn't counted toward the FFP break-even requirement. According to reports, City believe that, in FFP terms, they actually made a profit £8 million ($12.3 million).

So does this mean City are in the clear and that owner Sheikh Mansour can take out his big checkbook as crosstown rival Manchester United did last summer? Not necessarily.

First, UEFA need to confirm that their FFP calculation matches that of the club. Given the discrepancy between the allowed loss ($22.5 million) and City's calculation, the club should be in the clear.

Then again, if those numbers are disputed, it wouldn't be the first time UEFA's financial experts have disagreed with their colleagues at City. There's also the possibility that City will fall foul of other settlement requirements, in particular the FFP losses limit of €10 million ($11.2 million) for 2014-15.

Given the FFP profit City claimed last year ($12.3 million) and the fact that they would receive $22.5 million of the withheld prize money for meeting the requirements of the first season of the settlement regime, there's reason to believe more funds will be available, but it's by no means a guarantee and it likely won't be close to pre-FFP levels.

Then there's the future. Once City exit the settlement regime, they will be subject to the same restrictions as everyone else, but the maximum allowable losses will continue to fall. That means there will be less wiggle room, which in turn will require them to get their revenue projections and budgeting right.

Still, those are worst-case scenarios. The fact is that City are on the path to sustainability, and they'll be helped along when the new Premier League TV deal -- a 70 percent uplift compared to the previous one -- kicks in.

The days of massive spending relative to revenue are over, but City will still be able to throw much more money around this summer. The spending might not be on the same scale as in years past, but it will almost certainly be more than last season and enough -- if they get it right -- to significantly strengthen the squad, whether for the benefit of Manuel Pellegrini or another manager.

Sauf que si City allonge la thune au mercato sans restrictions ils repasseront dans le rouge concernant le FPF donc reprendront des sanctions et des limitations dans 1 an non ?
Putain je pige vraiment rien au FPF

Oui. Mais limite faut acheter comme des porcs.

Ba en fait j'ai toujours rien vu qui empechait ça, tu achètes pour 1 milliard, après tu prends 2 ans de restrictions mais tu t'en fou en fait

Pas certain de tout, mais City considère qu'ils ont respecté l'engagement de moins de 20M€ de pertes à fin 2014 donc les restrictions ne s'appliquent plus pour ce mercato ce que l'UEFA confirme.
Tout en sachant que le FPF s'applique de fait et tout le temps dorénavant.

Le point obscur pour moi est l'amende qui compte comme de l'investissement et en même temps une partie qui est rendue par l'UEFA. Pas compris ce point, mon anglais me trahit là.


Oui. Mais limite faut acheter comme des porcs.

Le point obscur pour moi est l'amende qui compte comme de l'investissement et en même temps une partie qui est rendue par l'UEFA. Pas compris ce point, mon anglais me trahit là.

Sinon Nasser il attend quoi pour signer des pelletées de contrats bidons genre naming, tournée au qatar, contrat comme l'as monaco, conférence au Qatar de Calderwood sur comment faire pousser le gazon, etc. Il peut aussi louer Gasset cet été à un club qatarien je sais pas.

Fausse bonne idée de prêter un ivrogne dans un pays avec la charia

Fausse bonne idée de prêter un ivrogne dans un pays avec la charia

Sinon Nasser il attend quoi pour signer des pelletées de contrats bidons genre naming, tournée au qatar, contrat comme l'as monaco, conférence au Qatar de Calderwood sur comment faire pousser le gazon, etc. Il peut aussi louer Gasset cet été à un club qatarien je sais pas.

Ou très bonne idée

Si, si, très bonne idée.

edit : les esprits tordus du forum se rencontre

Bon et on assure à mort lavezzi et on l'envoie avec.