Citation (Le Trépied @ 18/08/2017 12:17) 
Bon de la vraie actu ?
Je viens de voir que 26 français avaient été blessé.
Autant pour moi. On peut rester sur Barcelone.
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Je viens de voir que 26 français avaient été blessé.
Autant pour moi. On peut rester sur Barcelone.
Citation (Ashura @ 18/08/2017 12:19)
Tu nous avais pas manqué, et je pense pas que tu nous manqueras davantage à l'avenir.
https://twitter.com/Zlowodzki/status/898272536739409920
— CulturePSG (@CulturePSG) November7, 2011
La suite de ses tweets aussi.
Avec Fillon Daesh se serait pris une veste. 
QUOTE (Saoul @ 18/08/2017 14:12)
Avec Fillon Daesh se serait pris une veste.
ou l'aurait eu dans le fillon
Citation (Carlton @ 18/08/2017 14:11)
https://twitter.com/Zlowodzki/status/898272536739409920
— CulturePSG (@CulturePSG) November7, 2011
La suite de ses tweets aussi.
Il se fait copieusement insulter en tout cas.
Il proposait quoi Fillon pour lutter contre le "Totalitarisme Islamique" ?
Citation (Deloco93 @ 18/08/2017 14:34)
Il proposait quoi Fillon pour lutter contre le "Totalitarisme Islamique" ?
Héhé petit malin. Pour le savoir il faut acheter le livre.
Citation (Deloco93 @ 18/08/2017 14:34)
Il proposait quoi Fillon pour lutter contre le "Totalitarisme Islamique" ?
Conversions forcées.
Citation (Carlton @ 18/08/2017 14:11)
https://twitter.com/Zlowodzki/status/898272536739409920
— CulturePSG (@CulturePSG) November7, 2011
La suite de ses tweets aussi.
sans même parler du fond qui est abject, la forme est un peu étonnante quand même, je savais pas Barcelone c'est en France en fait
Citation (Ashura @ 18/08/2017 11:19)
Tu nous avais pas manqué, et je pense pas que tu nous manqueras davantage à l'avenir.
Merci
Citation (MoMoZeRo @ 18/08/2017 15:39)
C'était hier, avant le second incident. Et il y a une guerre des polices aussi chez eux...La Police Catalane se tire la bourre avec la nationale...Pareil sur les infos...
La nationale hier avait annoncé 2 morts, la catalane 1 h après : 1 mort...
Un espèce de jeu de com' zarb...
Citation (Comanchero @ 18/08/2017 15:41)
C'était hier, avant le second incident. Et il y a une guerre des polices aussi chez eux...La Police Catalane se tire la bourre avec la nationale...Pareil sur les infos...
La nationale hier avait annoncé 2 morts, la catalane 1 h après : 1 mort...
Un espèce de jeu de com' zarb...
La nationale hier avait annoncé 2 morts, la catalane 1 h après : 1 mort...
Un espèce de jeu de com' zarb...
Effectivement. Le genre de truc qui doit bien rajouter à la douleur des familles.
Le frère de mon beau frère hier était confiné dans le magasin ou il bosse avec interdiction de communiquer.
Il bosse à 10 mètres du lieu.
Je viens de voir le truc à Cambrils...Le petit coin tout mignon que c'est en plus.
On est vraiment dans une sale période avec ces débiles profond.
Attaque terroriste au couteau en cours en Finlande, les tarés ont décidé de se coordonner 
Citation (Carlton @ 18/08/2017 14:11)
https://twitter.com/Zlowodzki/status/898272536739409920
— CulturePSG (@CulturePSG) November7, 2011
La suite de ses tweets aussi.
Et Finlande maintenant...
Citation (nestor.burma @ 18/08/2017 15:22)
sans même parler du fond qui est abject, la forme est un peu étonnante quand même, je savais pas Barcelone c'est en France en fait
C'est avant
Édit : ah non
Citation
Brigitte Macron évoque la tragique disparition de sa sœur enceinte
oustefrance.fr
Brigitte Macron s'est confiée au magazine Elle sur le décès accidentel de sa sœur, enceinte, et du mari de cette dernière alors que la future Première dame n'avait que 8 ans. Elle a ensuite perdu une nièce, âgée de six ans. Des drames qui ont eu des conséquences tout au long de sa vie.
Brigitte Macron s'est récemment confiée sur le drame de sa vie, dans un long entretien au magazine Elle paru ce vendredi. La Première dame de France a révélé qu'elle avait perdu sa grande sœur, décédée dans un accident de la route. Brigitte Macron, âgée de huit ans lors du drame, a confié que la peur de disparaître ne l'a jamais quittée depuis.
Peu avare en informations sur sa vie personnelle, l'épouse très populaire d'Emmanuel Macron a expliqué comment ce traumatisme avait influencé ses choix.
oustefrance.fr
Brigitte Macron s'est confiée au magazine Elle sur le décès accidentel de sa sœur, enceinte, et du mari de cette dernière alors que la future Première dame n'avait que 8 ans. Elle a ensuite perdu une nièce, âgée de six ans. Des drames qui ont eu des conséquences tout au long de sa vie.
Brigitte Macron s'est récemment confiée sur le drame de sa vie, dans un long entretien au magazine Elle paru ce vendredi. La Première dame de France a révélé qu'elle avait perdu sa grande sœur, décédée dans un accident de la route. Brigitte Macron, âgée de huit ans lors du drame, a confié que la peur de disparaître ne l'a jamais quittée depuis.
Peu avare en informations sur sa vie personnelle, l'épouse très populaire d'Emmanuel Macron a expliqué comment ce traumatisme avait influencé ses choix.
Vraiment prêts à tout... Ca doit fouetter sévère au château pour en arriver à ces déballages seulement trois mois après l'élection.
Citation (Demon Di Mario @ 18/08/2017 15:37)
Attaque terroriste au couteau en cours en Finlande, les tarés ont décidé de se coordonner
Sauf si j'ai raté un truc pour l'instant c'est pas sur que ce soit terroriste.
La vidéo d'un des terro qui se fait allumer par la police à Cambrils 
Ils sont chargés comme des mules ces déchets c'est pas possible.
Ils sont chargés comme des mules ces déchets c'est pas possible.
Citation (witchfinder @ 18/08/2017 17:06)
Vraiment prêts à tout... Ca doit fouetter sévère au château pour en arriver à ces déballages seulement trois mois après l'élection.
"l'épouse très populaire"?! Sérieux qui en a quelque chose à faire de sa gueule.
Putain de merde, Cambrils j'y étais en juillet 
C'est pas contre toi spécifiquement mais je pige pas ce délire de dire à chaque fois "oh là là dire que j'y étais / vais y aller prochainement", le fait est que d'autres gens se sont réellement trouvés au mauvais endroit au mauvais moment eux, ça me paraît un peu indécent de ramener la couverture à soi 
Dusseldorf aussi.
Citation (Ashura @ 18/08/2017 17:47)
C'est pas contre toi spécifiquement mais je pige pas ce délire de dire à chaque fois "oh là là dire que j'y étais / vais y aller prochainement", le fait est que d'autres gens se sont réellement trouvés au mauvais endroit au mauvais moment eux, ça me paraît un peu indécent de ramener la couverture à soi
Ça a un côté attention whore...
Un article sur l'incendie de la Greenfell Tower à Londres par une libérale, une vraie de vraie, une libérale de la veine de ceux qui pensent que toute régulation est mauvaise, et qu'il faut donc laisser faire le Marché:
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/201...ndon-tower-fire
Citation
Beware of Blaming Government for London Tower Fire
Perhaps safety rules could have saved some residents. But at what cost to others' lives? There's always a trade-off.
A few days ago fire swept through Grenfell Tower, a large apartment building in London. It’s not yet known what caused the fire, and we aren’t conclusively sure how it spread so quickly, consuming the entire 24-story building. Nor is it known how many died in the fire; as of Friday, the count is at least 30.
What we do know is that there are ways to help control the spread of fire in apartment buildings, such as sprinkler systems. This has the makings of a scandal for Prime Minister Theresa May’s beleaguered government. Her immigration minister, Brandon Lewis, was formerly the housing minister. He declined to require developers to install sprinklers. The Independent quotes him as telling Parliament in 2014: “We believe that it is the responsibility of the fire industry, rather than the Government, to market fire sprinkler systems effectively and to encourage their wider installation. … The cost of fitting a fire sprinkler system may affect house building -- something we want to encourage -- so we must wait to see what impact that regulation has.”
People who died in the Grenfell fire might be alive today if regulators had required sprinkler systems. This does not play well for the Tories.
But before we start hanging them in effigy, there are a couple of things we should consider. The first is that, even if the regulation had passed, and required existing developers to retrofit sprinklers into older buildings, Grenfell Tower might not have gotten a sprinkler system before the fire occurred. Regulations are not implemented like instant coffee; they take time to formulate, and further time for businesses to comply. All the political will in the world cannot conjure up enough sprinkler systems, and sprinkler-system installers, to instantly transform a nation’s housing stock.
This, however, is only a quibble; even if Grenfell Tower could not have been saved, there are surely other buildings where fires will soon occur that would benefit from sprinklers. Must we wait for those deaths before we can say that his was a bad calculation?
Well, no. But we should wait until we can establish that it was actually a bad calculation.
It may sound heartless to discuss life-saving measures as a calculation. But the fact is that we all make these sorts of calculations every day, about ourselves and others. We just don’t like to admit that we’re doing it.
Consider the speed at which many of you drove to work this morning. I’m sure you’re all splendid, careful drivers. Nonetheless, when a vehicle is being piloted at 50 or 60 miles an hour, the margin of error for avoiding an accident is pretty small. To drive a car even at 5 miles per hour is to accept a small risk of killing oneself and others. To drive at 50 miles per hour is to accept a much higher risk of doing so. It’s a calculation: risk versus reward.
In the U.S., tens of thousands of people were killed in auto accidents last year. We could probably eliminate most of those deaths if we simply made sure that no one ever piloted their personal vehicle above some prudent speed -- say, 25 mph -- which would reduce both the likelihood of crashes occurring, and the damage any crashes would do.
Are you willing to make that trade-off? To avert 40,000 deaths a year, all you have to do is move closer to work, take public transportation (where available), or spend a lot more time in the car.
Americans have made that choice: Nope, not worth it. We are manifestly not willing to exchange personal convenience for lower auto fatalities. Nor, as far as I am aware, is anyone anywhere else. Government sets much higher speed limits -- speeds that are still quite deadly! -- and most drivers opt for even deadlier speeds. Every speeding driver knows, at some level, that what they’re doing is dangerous; they simply care more about what the boss will say when they’re late than they do about the increased risk of killing other people. (Pro tip: If you started late, just accept that you’re going to get there late.)
Now, I won’t defend the folks who go 90 in a 50 mph zone. But in less extreme cases, the broader calculation is probably correct. Auto accidents cost lives. But automobile transport has also saved a lot of lives, by enabling the economic growth that has made us richer and healthier. Slowing traffic down to a crawl would make a lot of that economic activity impossible, or at least, unprofitable. Very few people would like to lower a very small personal risk of death 1 by agreeing to live in the economic equivalent of 1900.
When the cost is as personal, as glaring and obvious, as restricting every car to a snail’s pace, we can see that not all safety trade-offs are worth it. However, when the cost seems to be borne by someone else, we suddenly become safety absolutists: no price is too great to pay.
Unfortunately, “other peoples’ money” has a way of ultimately coming out of our own pockets. If it costs more to build buildings, then rents will rise. People will be forced to live in smaller spaces, perhaps farther away. Some of them, in fact, may be forced to commute by automobile, and then die in a car accident. We don’t see those costs in the same way as we see a fire’s victims; we will never know the name of the guy who was killed in a car accident because he had to live far from work because rents rose because regulators required sprinkler systems. But that is a distinction for public opinion, not for good policy making. Good regulations would take into account the proximate and distant effects.
Back to the case at hand: Maybe sprinkler systems should be required in multifamily dwellings. It’s completely possible that the former housing minister made the wrong call. But his comment indicates he was thinking about the question in the right way -- taking seriously the fact that safety regulations come at a cost, which may exceed their benefit. Such calculations have to be made, no matter how horrified the tut-tutting after the fact.
And he is certainly right about one thing: When it comes to many regulations, it is best to leave such calculations of benefit and cost to the market, rather than the government. People can make their own assessments of the risks, and the price they’re willing to pay to allay them, rather than substituting the judgment of some politician or bureaucrat who will not receive the benefit or pay the cost.
Grenfell Tower, of course, was public housing, which changes the calculation somewhat. And yet, even there, trade-offs have to be made. The government spends money on a great number of things, many of which save lives. Every dollar it spends on installing sprinkler systems cannot be spent on the health service, or national defense, or pollution control. Would more lives be saved by those measures or by sprinkler systems in public housing? It’s hard to say.
It’s possible that by allowing large residential buildings to operate without sprinkler systems, the British government has prevented untold thousands of people from being driven into homelessness by higher housing costs. It’s also possible that a sprinkler system would not have saved lives in that Grenfell inferno, as the fire apparently spread outside the building as well as within it. Hold these possibilities in mind before condemning those who chose to spend government resources on other priorities. Regulatory decisions are never without costs, and sometimes their benefits are invisible.
Perhaps safety rules could have saved some residents. But at what cost to others' lives? There's always a trade-off.
A few days ago fire swept through Grenfell Tower, a large apartment building in London. It’s not yet known what caused the fire, and we aren’t conclusively sure how it spread so quickly, consuming the entire 24-story building. Nor is it known how many died in the fire; as of Friday, the count is at least 30.
What we do know is that there are ways to help control the spread of fire in apartment buildings, such as sprinkler systems. This has the makings of a scandal for Prime Minister Theresa May’s beleaguered government. Her immigration minister, Brandon Lewis, was formerly the housing minister. He declined to require developers to install sprinklers. The Independent quotes him as telling Parliament in 2014: “We believe that it is the responsibility of the fire industry, rather than the Government, to market fire sprinkler systems effectively and to encourage their wider installation. … The cost of fitting a fire sprinkler system may affect house building -- something we want to encourage -- so we must wait to see what impact that regulation has.”
People who died in the Grenfell fire might be alive today if regulators had required sprinkler systems. This does not play well for the Tories.
But before we start hanging them in effigy, there are a couple of things we should consider. The first is that, even if the regulation had passed, and required existing developers to retrofit sprinklers into older buildings, Grenfell Tower might not have gotten a sprinkler system before the fire occurred. Regulations are not implemented like instant coffee; they take time to formulate, and further time for businesses to comply. All the political will in the world cannot conjure up enough sprinkler systems, and sprinkler-system installers, to instantly transform a nation’s housing stock.
This, however, is only a quibble; even if Grenfell Tower could not have been saved, there are surely other buildings where fires will soon occur that would benefit from sprinklers. Must we wait for those deaths before we can say that his was a bad calculation?
Well, no. But we should wait until we can establish that it was actually a bad calculation.
It may sound heartless to discuss life-saving measures as a calculation. But the fact is that we all make these sorts of calculations every day, about ourselves and others. We just don’t like to admit that we’re doing it.
Consider the speed at which many of you drove to work this morning. I’m sure you’re all splendid, careful drivers. Nonetheless, when a vehicle is being piloted at 50 or 60 miles an hour, the margin of error for avoiding an accident is pretty small. To drive a car even at 5 miles per hour is to accept a small risk of killing oneself and others. To drive at 50 miles per hour is to accept a much higher risk of doing so. It’s a calculation: risk versus reward.
In the U.S., tens of thousands of people were killed in auto accidents last year. We could probably eliminate most of those deaths if we simply made sure that no one ever piloted their personal vehicle above some prudent speed -- say, 25 mph -- which would reduce both the likelihood of crashes occurring, and the damage any crashes would do.
Are you willing to make that trade-off? To avert 40,000 deaths a year, all you have to do is move closer to work, take public transportation (where available), or spend a lot more time in the car.
Americans have made that choice: Nope, not worth it. We are manifestly not willing to exchange personal convenience for lower auto fatalities. Nor, as far as I am aware, is anyone anywhere else. Government sets much higher speed limits -- speeds that are still quite deadly! -- and most drivers opt for even deadlier speeds. Every speeding driver knows, at some level, that what they’re doing is dangerous; they simply care more about what the boss will say when they’re late than they do about the increased risk of killing other people. (Pro tip: If you started late, just accept that you’re going to get there late.)
Now, I won’t defend the folks who go 90 in a 50 mph zone. But in less extreme cases, the broader calculation is probably correct. Auto accidents cost lives. But automobile transport has also saved a lot of lives, by enabling the economic growth that has made us richer and healthier. Slowing traffic down to a crawl would make a lot of that economic activity impossible, or at least, unprofitable. Very few people would like to lower a very small personal risk of death 1 by agreeing to live in the economic equivalent of 1900.
When the cost is as personal, as glaring and obvious, as restricting every car to a snail’s pace, we can see that not all safety trade-offs are worth it. However, when the cost seems to be borne by someone else, we suddenly become safety absolutists: no price is too great to pay.
Unfortunately, “other peoples’ money” has a way of ultimately coming out of our own pockets. If it costs more to build buildings, then rents will rise. People will be forced to live in smaller spaces, perhaps farther away. Some of them, in fact, may be forced to commute by automobile, and then die in a car accident. We don’t see those costs in the same way as we see a fire’s victims; we will never know the name of the guy who was killed in a car accident because he had to live far from work because rents rose because regulators required sprinkler systems. But that is a distinction for public opinion, not for good policy making. Good regulations would take into account the proximate and distant effects.
Back to the case at hand: Maybe sprinkler systems should be required in multifamily dwellings. It’s completely possible that the former housing minister made the wrong call. But his comment indicates he was thinking about the question in the right way -- taking seriously the fact that safety regulations come at a cost, which may exceed their benefit. Such calculations have to be made, no matter how horrified the tut-tutting after the fact.
And he is certainly right about one thing: When it comes to many regulations, it is best to leave such calculations of benefit and cost to the market, rather than the government. People can make their own assessments of the risks, and the price they’re willing to pay to allay them, rather than substituting the judgment of some politician or bureaucrat who will not receive the benefit or pay the cost.
Grenfell Tower, of course, was public housing, which changes the calculation somewhat. And yet, even there, trade-offs have to be made. The government spends money on a great number of things, many of which save lives. Every dollar it spends on installing sprinkler systems cannot be spent on the health service, or national defense, or pollution control. Would more lives be saved by those measures or by sprinkler systems in public housing? It’s hard to say.
It’s possible that by allowing large residential buildings to operate without sprinkler systems, the British government has prevented untold thousands of people from being driven into homelessness by higher housing costs. It’s also possible that a sprinkler system would not have saved lives in that Grenfell inferno, as the fire apparently spread outside the building as well as within it. Hold these possibilities in mind before condemning those who chose to spend government resources on other priorities. Regulatory decisions are never without costs, and sometimes their benefits are invisible.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/201...ndon-tower-fire
Il y a aussi des articles sur la Corée du nord ou l'Arabie saoudite qui ne sont pas très flatteurs.
Citation (Ashura @ 18/08/2017 17:47)
C'est pas contre toi spécifiquement mais je pige pas ce délire de dire à chaque fois "oh là là dire que j'y étais / vais y aller prochainement", le fait est que d'autres gens se sont réellement trouvés au mauvais endroit au mauvais moment eux, ça me paraît un peu indécent de ramener la couverture à soi
Je pensais la même chose que toi et j'avais lu un article assez intéressant (que je ne retrouve plus évidemment) et qui expliquait que c'était un comportement naturel et qu'il fallait plutôt aller chercher du côté de l'empathie forcée que de l'attention whorisme. On se met dans la peau du disparu, en se liant sur un détail aussi infime soit il (lieu, age, club de foot supporté, que sais je d'autre) pour ressentir quelque chose car la situation nous y oblige. Avant tu souffrais pour les tiens, aujourd'hui les médias te poussent à souffrir en permanence, pour n'importe qui/quoi à une échelle délirante, on prend conscience que le monde est moche à une dose trop forte pour nos coeurs et cortex de fragiles et vu que la culture globale n'est pas au nihilisme, on ressent une pression de l'émotion qui pousse à ce genre de chose.
QUOTE (Saoul @ 18/08/2017 18:47)
Il y a aussi des articles sur la Corée du nord ou l'Arabie saoudite qui ne sont pas très flatteurs.
Etonnant.
QUOTE (guiclay @ 18/08/2017 17:18)
"l'épouse très populaire"?! Sérieux qui en a quelque chose à faire de sa gueule.
140 lettres par jours
QUOTE (witchfinder @ 18/08/2017 17:06)
Vraiment prêts à tout... Ca doit fouetter sévère au château pour en arriver à ces déballages seulement trois mois après l'élection.
C'est de la com parce que son mignon prend un bouillon dans les sondages, elle aime bien parler d'elle aussi.
Après oui amanda lear et son fils à l'Elysée ça fait un peu bizarre.
Citation (Zul @ 18/08/2017 20:17)
Etonnant.
140 lettres par jours
C'est de la com parce que son mignon prend un bouillon dans les sondages, elle aime bien parler d'elle aussi.
Après oui amanda lear et son fils à l'Elysée ça fait un peu bizarre.
140 lettres par jours
C'est de la com parce que son mignon prend un bouillon dans les sondages, elle aime bien parler d'elle aussi.
Après oui amanda lear et son fils à l'Elysée ça fait un peu bizarre.
Citation (Zul @ 18/08/2017 20:17)
Après oui amanda lear et son fils à l'Elysée ça fait un peu bizarre.
Citation (Jack Pepsi @ 18/08/2017 22:42)
J'y étais ©
Citation (Jack Pepsi @ 18/08/2017 22:42)
Ca me fait penser à ce type qui s'est mangé la première bombe atomique à Hiroshima et qui a réussi à se prendre aussi la seconde à Nagasaki trois jours plus tard
Moi, ça me fait surtout penser à une Vita.
Un homme abattu en Russie après avoir blessé 8 personnes au couteau
Citation (Demon Di Mario @ 18/08/2017 16:37)
Attaque terroriste au couteau en cours en Finlande, les tarés ont décidé de se coordonner
C'est pas un finlandais ©
https://twitter.com/MidiLibreNimes/status/898996875101122565
— CulturePSG (@CulturePSG) November7, 2011
Citation (Oyé Sapapaya @ 19/08/2017 22:05)
https://twitter.com/MidiLibreNimes/status/898996875101122565
— CulturePSG (@CulturePSG) November7, 2011
https://twitter.com/MidiLibreNimes/status/898998423185014784
— CulturePSG (@CulturePSG) November7, 2011
Faut que tout le monde garde son calme aussi…
Du coup, je suis un peu ce qu'il se dit et quel cancer Twitter.
Citation (D'Alessandro @ 19/08/2017 22:19)
Du coup, je suis un peu ce qu'il se dit et quel cancer Twitter.
Oui absolument horrible, sinon:
https://twitter.com/Prefet30/status/899002339234910210
— CulturePSG (@CulturePSG) November7, 2011
Citation (Oyé Sapapaya @ 19/08/2017 22:22)
Oui absolument horrible, sinon:
https://twitter.com/Prefet30/status/899002339234910210
— CulturePSG (@CulturePSG) November7, 2011
Voilà.
Les médias espagnols entre leur propagande pour leur club et là, où ils s'y mettent tous en mode "fusillade", waouh j'en pensais pas que du bien lorsque j'étais là-bas mais là on a passé un cap niveau merde.
Trump qui 
Bannon sur Twitter.
Il doit flipper du retour de bâton.
Bannon sur Twitter.Il doit flipper du retour de bâton.
http://www.bfmtv.com/police-justice/loiret...rs-1238925.html
ET y a qui défendent le mec au couteau
https://twitter.com/abdelM9/status/899026398521810944
— CulturePSG (@CulturePSG) November7, 2011
ET y a qui défendent le mec au couteau
Pourquoi ils n'ont pas crevé les pneus dès qu'il a essayé de s'échapper
Visiblement une belle équipe de tocards...
3 flingues à 3 mètres
et le mec part tranquille en Scenic dans le parc
3 flingues à 3 mètres
et le mec part tranquille en Scenic dans le parc
Citation (pitch+1.5 @ 20/08/2017 00:28)
Visiblement une belle équipe de tocards...
3 flingues à 3 mètres
et le mec part tranquille en Scenic dans le parc
3 flingues à 3 mètres
et le mec part tranquille en Scenic dans le parc
Comme il est mort après j'imagine qu'il n'est pas si tranquille
Citation (bloblo @ 20/08/2017 00:46)
Comme il est mort après j'imagine qu'il n'est pas si tranquille
Oui mais visiblement pas sur le coup.
Citation (Za£e @ 20/08/2017 00:18)
Pourquoi ils n'ont pas crevé les pneus dès qu'il a essayé de s'échapper
Tellement...
Citation (Za£e @ 20/08/2017 00:18)
Pourquoi ils n'ont pas crevé les pneus dès qu'il a essayé de s'échapper
Pour ne pas risquer de perdre une chance de lui tirer dans la nuque?
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